Wrong on every count I'm afraid, not your best effort.

You make me laugh alot Vasty but dear oh dear come off it. You're saying Grix is as good as Hardaker? Honestly?



Tupou is a poor mans Webster (although he has improved of late). Lyne will be a far better player in the long run and from what I've seen of the two has more dimensions to his game already than Tupou.

Also thats his opinion - doesn't make it wrong or yours right as you like to think...

I'd take him with a pinch of salt, Matt. I agree. Ad good as both Grix and Tupou have been for us I think Hardaker and Webster have pipped them in terms of form so far this year. However, in terms of performance levels all 4 have been high. I think we'll lose on Friday but I'll be happy as long as we're competitive because when I traveled to Cas last year the gme was over at half time.

Stats are a beautiful thing. One way of looking at this is that those most likely to give away penalties are those who do a heavy lot of defending. Similarly, those who make the most errors are more likely to be those who have their hands on the ball the most (e.g. ourselves)

It would be interesting to see if this is reflected in the stats in some way. With Widnes, it could be that they play a safe brand of rugby when they do have the ball and in terms of penalties, they don't really give them away as their defence is leaky (missed tackles maybe high?). Be really interesting to analyse if there is a link between certain factors.

Why what's wrong with it? Centre is probably our weakest position so it's no surprise that I think the team that is top of the league is better stocked in that position. Tupou might be a stronger runner than Arundel, but Arundel is far better at bringing his winger into play, and our wingers are our biggest strength so you'll have to forgive me for preferring centres who bring them into play. Tupou is also a bit iffy under high kicks.

As for Hardaker v. Grix, I'm pretty happy with Grix as Wakey full back but lets not kid ourselves. Hardaker will likely be the starting full back for England come the World Cup, so I look forward to you suggesting then that it should be in fact Scott Grix lining up for England in Melbourne against Australia, presumably followed by everybody laughing at you (again), you throwing a hissy fit (again) and then accusing the moderators of being Stalin like dictators for letting people pick on you (again).

Yeah, it came as a bit of a surprise when I notced it the other day when looking at player stats, Like you say we've had the least amount of errors this year at 79 and 6th best on Penalties conceded. Like you say huge improvemnet so far this season. I know last season we gave the most Pens in the League. Also noticed we were 4th in average gain, which is also much improved from last year, where we were last and generally shows we're making good meters every tackle.

Although they are quite similar players, strong lads & big meter makers , imo it's unfair to say Tupou's a poor man's Webster. Webster's probably the more well rounded atm with better hands and has far more experience playing there but it's not as if there's a a huge amount at all between them for me. Like you say Tupou has improved this year, especially in the area he was weakest, his passing.

Not only the amount of penalties we conceded but we couldn't defend them and nearly always let a try in, not only last season but seasons before. Hopefully we've cleaned it up and continue to play attacking rugby league.

brilliant!

Not being picky jakeyg95 but Grix won't be turning out for England in Melbourne, he's Irish.

Love the way you parasite off the back of others, never got the bottle on your own have you Adam tut tut

You're still wrong on every level doesn't matter how abusive you get - you know very little about RL - have a chat with Adam he's about your level...s s

You're in no position to tell anyone how much they know about RL if you think Scott Grix is better than Zak Hardaker. Probably the only person who agrees with you is Scott Grix's mum.

I'm not Grix's Mam..


Scott Grix is worth more than the sum of his parts to Wakey, would Hardaker offer more ?.....I dunno, its a hypothetical question and only really deserves a pass the time of day discussion, at present, I wouldn't swap.
But there is something not right about Hardaker and its not easy to put a finger on, but he isn't the uninhibited natural with attitude that he was imo.
What I find more interesting is Hardaker 2015 vs Hardaker 2017, somewhere in there, he lost an edge ?.....but maybe he gained something else ?
Whatever, I don't think it was worth the trade off, he's playing ok in a team playing way above ok.
For a couple of years he was ripping it up in a way above ok Leeds team, yet hasn't pulled any trees up since, so... give us a clue.

he's playing a lot better then "ok" .

Well he was the Man of Steel for a team that won the treble in 2015, something Scott Grix never has done and never will do. Admittedly he was crap last year, but that was in a team that was pretty crap all round and he supposedly had some pretty bad personal issues to deal with which will have effected his game loads. Plus he was hardly the consumate professional before that anyway. Now he's got away from Leeds he looks to be back to his best, playing extremely well in a team that is playing some of the best rugby any team has played for years. He's always been regarded as one of the best full backs around defensively and the questions marks over his game were more to do with things in attack, yet this season he's leading the league in try assists so he looks to have improved there. I've just had a look at Betfred and he's currently the second favourite to be Man of Steel again this season, whilst they aren't even offering odds for it to be Scott Grix. Grix is a good player, one of our best so far this season, however Hardaker has been one of the best in the league full stop. I don't understand how it's even remotely controversial to argue that Hardaker is better, in fact, I'd say it's pretty dumb to try and argue otherwise (although it's to be expected from Vastman).

Except i'm the only one on here not hiding behind a pseudonym. It just makes me laugh - i remember first posting on here and seeing you for what you were straight away (old fashioned, out-of-date, "they-don't-make-'em-like-they-used-to" bully boy) and calling you out on it. I got a warning from the board back then but now it seems finally most people have woken up. Things is when you post without the hyperbole, exaggeration and over-defensive nonsense you make some decent contributions but it's hard to try and get involved seriously given the tone and nature of half your responses.

Yeah well, looks like you both have something in common then.

Years? How far back are we going here?

agree I think Tupou has been in outstanding form... Lynne was playing so well and Arundel looks assured and confident...

loving the choices...

and that players are covering injury and really playing for their places!

Grix was good when he played for us previously but he has matured well and seems a little more resilient this season (or maybe lucky!)

ps not really into the debate that this clubs player is better than that clubs player... a team is the sum of its constituent parts ... and then some (called synergy)

the synergy of the Cas team is currently outstanding... the synergy of Trinity is very very good....


would love to see both these teams achieve some success and silverware this year....

Even though I dd enter the debate about who's better than who, like I said in my first post, it's so hard to compare players from different teams, just down to the human part of it objectivity, plus how the team sets it's self up, the structures they play under and the jobs each player has been given. Which might not get the best out of then perosnally, but it's for the teams greater good.

Anyway, win or lose I just hope we have a real close local derby. Where both teams bring their A games and we see some of the games better players show exactly why they're that. Forwads smashing into each other and the halves and the backs, produce soome scintillating RL. Hopefully of couse we just pinch it.



PS, love the word Synergy and describes RL very well at times.

I prefer 2+2=5

I would say they're probably playing the best brand of attacking rugby since the last great Saints side of around 2006, which is a refreshing change to Michael Maguire/Shaun Wane style rugby and makes it slightly easier to stomach the fact that they're currently favourites to win the league (thankfully I don't think they will though).