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| Quote ="The Avenger"Are you really that clueless Jools?
The hardest work a team will have to do is defend back to back sets on their own line, it empties the tank pretty quickly. Buying your team time by kicking the ball away and delaying the restart allows the defence to compose themselves and let their heart and lungs catch up.'"
Ah Right- thanks for the heads up........ so is that why you did the same at the scrums that hudds won then?
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| The kicking the ball away didn't lose us the game, but it showed how the ref was losing control and Brough was gaining it.
We should still have won but it was gamesmanship that should have been penalised.
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| I was behind the posts same as the rest but only one of Giants trys near the line were well worked moves. The others were simple push overs from what feet that should have been stopped.
The one from Brough's break and cross field kick was pure class.
It was a game we let go no doubt about that.
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| I've left many a Trin match knowing we weren't good enough to win. Our first 2 league matches we've been good enough and should have won both, sometimes that's more frustrating but also gives hope we can compete this season.
Up the Trin
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"I've left many a Trin match knowing we weren't good enough to win. Our first 2 league matches we've been good enough and should have won both, sometimes that's more frustrating but also gives hope we can compete this season.
Up the Trin'"
That's a fair point, even in the midst of the frustration felt, but we do need to quickly learn how to win - a skill long since departed!
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| I wasn't at the match last night so listened to radio coverage but the momentum did appear to shift after the uneccessary tip tackle by Kirmond.
Hopefully more grunt and size could be added for the next match on heavy pitches? With Keegan Hirst and possibly, if fit, Mitch Allgood introduced to the 17 with Huby playing at 13.
Agree with other posters that it's games against teams such as Giants that need to be winning as they are likely to be with Trinity towards the bottom of Super League.
Early days and competitive so Up the Trin!
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| Still haven't calmed down after last night.
there were 3 big moment's in the second half which gave Huddersfield all the momentum that they needed.
1 - not going for goal, which would have moved us 10 points clear and increased pressure on Huddersfield
2 - the dumb spear tackle, which was halfway through the set
3 - the knock on by Shudds, which was given as a ball steal
The time wasting behind the sticks was totally unacceptable, even though the ref stopped the clock.
Huddersfield weren't just slow, they were blatantly kicking the ball away (which used to be a sin bin offence) and at one point the ball boys on the main stand side, who had "spare" match balls, had them taken off them and they mysteriously disappeared from sight.
In 40 years watching the game, I've never seen that level of gamesmanship, utterly disgraceful.
We lost because Huddersfield were cleverer than us and it was certainly a game that we could have won.
There were 2 excellent tries in the game though, BJB's solo effort and sadly, Broughs break and cross field kick, which was excellent.
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| Quote ="Willzay"It really is. Chester needs to stop the rot or we could be 4 game in on 0'points'"
I think you need to go see your GP. You're clearly clinically depressed. You've never any positive to say about anything...ever.
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| I wish you'd all shaddap with this we haven't won a game since magic weekend rubbish.
I mean, its a new season, the players are different, opponents are different, conditions are different, more importantly what happened last season is irrelevant, everyone starts at zero points regardless.
If jools was spouting it you'd all be putting it down to trolling, which it probably would be
Why stop at magic weekend, why not go back a season and witter on about win ratio's, why not go right back to 1897.
If we're gonna bitch about losing runs including a season that has no relevance to the one we're actually competing in, why don't we include equally irrelevant pre-season games that would end this stupid cross season point counting.
What matters is what happens this season, we've enough to whine about with without dragging up magic weekend every 5 minutes...
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Still haven't calmed down after last night.
there were 3 big moment's in the second half which gave Huddersfield all the momentum that they needed.
1 - not going for goal, which would have moved us 10 points clear and increased pressure on Huddersfield
2 - the dumb spear tackle, which was halfway through the set
3 - the knock on by Shudds, which was given as a ball steal
The time wasting behind the sticks was totally unacceptable, even though the ref stopped the clock.
Huddersfield weren't just slow, they were blatantly kicking the ball away (which used to be a sin bin offence) and at one point the ball boys on the main stand side, who had "spare" match balls, had them taken off them and they mysteriously disappeared from sight.
In 40 years watching the game, I've never seen that level of gamesmanship, utterly disgraceful.
We lost because Huddersfield were cleverer than us and it was certainly a game that we could have won.
There were 2 excellent tries in the game though, BJB's solo effort and sadly, Broughs break and cross field kick, which was excellent.'"
The number 4 point for me was the Kyle Wood 'disallowed try' in the second half for allegedly 'moving off the mark'. The only one all night I think. We were in the ascendency and well on top and that I feel would have 'killed them off' at 14 points up.
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| Like everyone else I've been trying to work out how we lost last night. Think what we are lacking the most is an on-field leader. Some-one to take the game by the scruff of the neck and guide us . No disrespect to Danny , but we need some0ne to "gee us up " when appropriate and be calming and calculating too. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but we should have taken the two easy points on offer, especially when our first tilt at the line come to nothing. I never seem to see anyone taking the lead ..
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| Quote ="cocker"Like everyone else I've been trying to work out how we lost last night. Think what we are lacking the most is an on-field leader. Some-one to take the game by the scruff of the neck and guide us . No disrespect to Danny , but we need some0ne to "gee us up " when appropriate and be calming and calculating too. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but we should have taken the two easy points on offer, especially when our first tilt at the line come to nothing. I never seem to see anyone taking the lead ..'"
I have to agree with this post we do seem to lack leaders in the team, I remember CC in a interview last year saying he thought we were a very quiet team lacked leaders and he would change that, well up to now I have not seen any sign of change in that department so I would say this is a big challenge for CC and JK TO put right.
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| Quote ="Nickward86"I have to agree with this post we do seem to lack leaders in the team, I remember CC in a interview last year saying he thought we were a very quiet team lacked leaders and he would change that, well up to now I have not seen any sign of change in that department so I would say this is a big challenge for CC and JK TO put right.'"
Agree 100 % but who would you make captain? Ive always said kirmonds no leader.
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| Quote ="cheshirecat57"Agree 100 % but who would you make captain? Ive always said kirmonds no leader.'"
Not sure mate it's a tough one isn't it, if Finn had still been getting in the team as a starter I would have said him but that boat has sailed for now, maybe England and kirmond as joint captain's.
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| Quote ="Nickward86"Not sure mate it's a tough one isn't it, if Finn had still been getting in the team as a starter I would have said him but that boat has sailed for now, maybe England and kirmond as joint captain's.'"
We were talking about England on the way home last night, thought he had a quiet game and looked to have lost weight , but the quiet game might have been the effects of the injury he got in the Hull game. As for leader we need someone like broughy but not broughy !
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| Quote ="cheshirecat57"We were talking about England on the way home last night, thought he had a quiet game and looked to have lost weight , but the quiet game might have been the effects of the injury he got in the Hull game. As for leader we need someone like broughy but not broughy !'"
This is the thing, I am guessing we are going to have to pick from what we have as unless we end up with a big injury list I don't see any more new players coming in, leaders are usually in demand from other teams also and don't usually come cheap.
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| Quote ="Nickward86"This is the thing, I am guessing we are going to have to pick from what we have as unless we end up with a big injury list I don't see any more new players coming in, leaders are usually in demand from other teams also and don't usually come cheap.'"
We just need a top old head! Been there done it got the tee shirt to give the team a bollocking when needed like every missed tackle. I know i'l get crap for this but remember when we had bobby Goulding just look how he gee'd up the team , we need that type of captain.
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| Quote ="cheshirecat57"We just need a top old head! Been there done it got the tee shirt to give the team a bollocking when needed like every missed tackle. I know i'l get crap for this but remember when we had bobby Goulding just look how he gee'd up the team , we need that type of captain.'"
Ok then, who do you think we could sign at the moment who would not want big wages or a transfer fee, I'm not sure there is anyone available, I would like to see us get Delaney from Leeds for the rest of the season I think he would fit the bill.
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| Quote ="Nickward86"Ok then, who do you think we could sign at the moment who would not want big wages or a transfer fee, I'm not sure there is anyone available, I would like to see us get Delaney from Leeds for the rest of the season I think he would fit the bill.'"
Ooh thats a funny one , we've had alot of Leeds cast offs who have come for one last payday! Delaney would not be the answer, what about someone for next season Paul Gallen from Cronulla?
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| Quote ="cheshirecat57"Ooh thats a funny one , we've had alot of Leeds cast offs who have come for one last payday! Delaney would not be the answer, what about someone for next season Paul Gallen from Cronulla?'" lol sorry I was trying to be serious about someone we could actually sign,. I had an idea Delaney would get that kind of response but he is a 100% player and would lead through his actions.
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| Think the problem with Delaney is he struggles to stay on the field for any length of time, unfortunately his injuries have taken their toll.
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| Going back to a leader.....even though we as fans can't pick an obvious candidate, there must be some-one in training etc that the coaches can see has the qualities . Perhaps the other players aren't so vocal during a game because they are waiting for the Captain to take charge.
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| Quote ="Nickward86"lol sorry I was trying to be serious about someone we could actually sign,. I had an idea Delaney would get that kind of response but he is a 100% player and would lead through his actions.'"
Yeh lol just see how many games he plays for Leeds not Featherstone this season.
Bet he's not in this country next year.
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| I hope Mitch Allgood has recovered from his concussion and can make his SL debut in the next match. At 27 years old and an experienced tough ex-NRL prop he could be the leader on the field the team is looking for?
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| Quote ="cocker"Going back to a leader.....even though we as fans can't pick an obvious candidate, there must be some-one in training etc that the coaches can see has the qualities . Perhaps the other players aren't so vocal during a game because they are waiting for the Captain to take charge.'"
You don't choose a leader, they emerge naturally during the games and I don't see anyone of that mindset. The hate of losing, pure desire to win , picking up team mates and generally directing the team. Couple that with a rugby brain and there you have it!
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