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| Quote ="vastman"Good try, Booker prize for you.
The greatest left wing parlour trick
is to convince themselves that UKIP is a party of Right wingers. It may have a right wing agenda of sorts but it's appealing across the board and Labour simply can't accept that. Hence every UKIP supporter is branded a right wing loon and racist - I suppose we will see who's right soon enough.
Finally let's remember this thread was about the local election not national - a very different ballgame - excuse the pun.'"
This is why I love and loathe politics!
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| Bizarrely the best result for getting shut of Box would be a Labour victory. At Council elections votes generally move against an unpopular government.
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| Quote ="vastman"Typical arrogant self righteous left wing reaction, no surprise from someone who clearly doesn't get democracy or free choice. Go figure.
Did you bother to read my reasons for voting for them, I never said I supported them as a party. Go figure.
I won't vote Labour ever, one because they no longer are Labour but just a poor Tory substitute and two because they have more real fascist's in their ranks than Benito could shake a stick at. Go figure.
At no point have I excused any political movement left or right for the current financial state the world is in - but to suggest the Labour Government of 15 years was blameless, I say again ludicrous even if that wasn't what the poster meant - ludicrous rather like their leader - a man who has managed to make Farage and the Krankie look statesmanlike! ,go figure.
Enjoy your day, I'm sure eventually you'll get the power and UKIPpers will be up against that wall bop bop bop. Go figure.
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Wow - a few straw men in this rant. Please show me where exactly in my post I was arrogant, self righteous or showed that I don't understand democracy or free choice. In the meantime, vote for whom you want - there's really no need to try and justify your choice - but try to be less inttolerant of those who, God forbid, might not agree with you.
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"Bizarrely the best result for getting shut of Box would be a Labour victory. At Council elections votes generally move against an unpopular government.'"
This is a point I keeping mentioning. When Gordon Brown was PM our local labour group came within a whisker of losing it's majority on the WMDC. Lets get Milliband in for the good of Wakefield (and many other rotten Labour boroughs)but for the detriment of the country.
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| Quote ="vastman"- but to suggest the Labour Government of 15 years was blameless:'"
Twice in this thread you've mentioned 15 years of labour government, you'd of thought anyone trying to argue their point in politics would get the basic information right before they Stuart spurting out the bull to at least give it some credence
Btw blairs was voted in May 1997 re-elected 2001 and again 2005 then when Gordon Brown was PM he lost the 2010 general election now with the fingers on my hands and both my socks off I get that to 13 years HTH
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| Quote ="Kevs Head"Wow - a few straw men in this rant. Please show me where exactly in my post I was arrogant, self righteous or showed that I don't understand democracy or free choice. In the meantime, vote for whom you want - there's really no need to try and justify your choice - but try to be less inttolerant of those who, God forbid, might not agree with you.'"
Irony meter on overload - you really don't get - you clearly never read your post's back or do you think finishing a sentence with "Go figure" sin't condescending and arrogant - must be a hoot around your dinner table.
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| Quote ="steadygetyerboots-on"This is why I love and loathe politics!'"
Must be a shock when someone isn't nodding along to you're every word Steady - best you carry on preaching to Mrs steady and the lads at the pub aye, stay smug and warm - and then come back when you get free speech and we can talk .
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| Oh dear that's me told, talk about arrogance, I haven't voted labour in the council elections and if I'm honest I wasted my vote in the Nationals on CISTA
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| Quote ="financialtimes"Oh dear that's me told, talk about arrogance, I haven't voted labour in the council elections and if I'm honest I wasted my vote in the Nationals on CISTA
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| Quote ="vastman"Good for you, have rest now
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Is it coincidence that you've been posting thought the day today, or is your school closed due to it being used as a polling station
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| Well I've been to vote and didn't even realise there was a local election going on untiL I was handed my ballot papers. Only had one leaflet through the door from yvette cooper upon which reading my blood pressure shot up seeing her stood on the terraces at cas with Steve Gill saying it was essential for the 5 towns development to go ahead to secure the future of the rugby league club. Not all her constituents support them. But having sAid that they are the only party that bothered for the general election and none did for the local one.
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| Quote ="vastman"Must be a shock when someone isn't nodding along to you're every word Steady - best you carry on preaching to Mrs steady and the lads at the pub aye, stay smug and warm - and then come back when you get free speech and we can talk
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I think this is a case where the written word doesn't come across as it was intended! I meant it as enjoying the debate (i.e. Good) and it's good how valid arguments can be made for different sides of an argument (loathe!). Poorly worded by myself vasty -is all.
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| Can we expect any support from a council full of cas. fans - OF COURSE NOT!.
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| Quote ="SERENE"Can we expect any support from a council full of cas. fans - OF COURSE NOT!.'"
Yeah we heard you all the first 10,000 times!
Seriously do people think we're living like kings over in Cas?!
(Just to clarify; I'm attempting banter! I'm having a few issues making my point today!)
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| Careful vast an. Mrs steady is my daughter and she ain't The nodding kind. She's also a Wakey fan in a house full of cas supporters !
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| Careful vast an. Mrs steady is my daughter and she ain't The nodding kind. She's also a Wakey fan in a house full of cas supporters !
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| Quote ="normycat"icon_lol.gif Careful vast an. Mrs steady is my daughter and she ain't The nodding kind. She's also a Wakey fan in a house full of cas supporters !'"
It's only a matter of time! I've seen her checking out the family season tickets for darn't lane!
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| Quote ="Seventies red":34bsbo5vMany people are not thanks to MRSA which was rife under Labours Andy Burnham's NHS.
At the end of the day if you want a strong NHS as we all do , then you first have to have a strong economy to be able to pay for it.
Something which Labour has never delivered in my time and I'm now in my late fifties.'" During Blair's 10 years in office there were 40 successive quarters of economic growth, lasting until the second quarter of 2008, helped by Blair's decision to keep taxes relatively low and abandon traditional Labour policies including public ownership of industries and utilities.
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| Went for local conservatives, based on their stance with the ground, also I am fed up of this council in general. Public consultation means nothing to them, hence that world class market and breathtaking fountain we have ended up with.
Went for Labour in the Nationals because despite them still being a regressive, self serving set of pillocks they are the only party to vote for if you are serious about getting the Tories out and saving what's left of our public services.
Ukip are ridiculous - If we pulled out of Europe the North would suffer from severely reduced culture and infrastructure funding imo.
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| Quote ="vastman"Sorry but IMHO he's more correct than you.
For 15 years Labour under Blair/Brown followed a watered down version of Thatcherism minus the discipline required. They built their economic policy around a services driven economy fueled by cheap and largely uncontrolled credit and the vague promise of ever rising property prices. At no point did Labour attempt to control what was even then an obvious imbalance in the economy that would eventually need correcting.
To say Labour didn't create the world recession is ludicrous, they most certainly contributed in a massive way - the US toxic debt crisis was purely the trigger not the reason.
Germany never did follow Thatcherism or variants of and that is why they now rule Europe.
I am basically Left of Centre politically but to free Labour of blame - NO - not ever.
I'm voting UKIP - one because I cannot find what I consider a racist policy in their manifesto - two I cannot stand the pathetic way the left wing establishment has tried to smear them or anyone who supports them relentlessly and IMHO unfairly - but mainly to knock the 3 main political parties especially labour out of their complacent stupors and force them to listen to the average Joe of whatever race and stop pandering to the chattering classes and the lowest common denominators in society.
Thanks'"
I was waiting for this. It's nice to know that only having seen a couple of posts on here from you, I knew politically where you'd stand and how you'd justify it.
Cba with a debate though. I've got a wakey game to be prepping for.
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| A few things to ponder for those who are yet to cast their vote (particularly if you've previously voted Labour):
Let's put the stadium issue to one side for a moment. MC came into this club with the previous regime having brought it to the brink through spending far more than we could afford with our income. He's since taken some very tough decisions in how much we can afford to pay our current squad and tried to ensure we are living within our means. As a result of MC's actions, the vast majority of us now feel that the club is in a much better position financially - even though this has resulted in us not being able to cope with the heavy injury list we've had so far this year.......but at least the club is still there, still fighting and we have a future to look forward to (regardless of whether it's in the top tier or second tier, at Belle Vue or Newmarket or Oakwell or Keepmoat).
Does any of that sound familiar? Chronic overspending; a lack of certainty as to the future financial position? It's exactly what Labour left the country with in 2010! The coalition had to take the decisions they felt were necessary to try to return some sort of stability to the country's finances.
But the mess Labour left after 13 years takes much more than 5 years to repair properly. What the country needs now is a further period of financial stability. Labour CANNOT win a majority in this election. If they are to have any hope of gaining power they will need the support of the SNP who want to overspend even more than Labour................and don't forget it's YOUR MONEY that they'll be overspending.
Labour may say that they're the only people who can be trusted with the NHS, but they are the same people who paid for the new hospitals by creating PFI partnerships that will cost us (as tax payers) far more than it would ever have cost if they'd just paid for the construction directly.
A Labour government now will be a bad thing for the country and it won't just be us footing the bill for their inevitable overspending, it will be our children and grandchildren that will end up paying the price.
So, for those of you who have still to cast your vote I have two things to say. First, regardless of who you end up voting for - make sure you go and do it. Second, it may mean that you go against every previous vote you've cast but I'd urge you to use your vote to keep Labour out of Downing Street.....even if that means holding your nose as you put a "X" next to the name of the Conservative candidate.
Right, politics over! Let's hope the boys put in a good showing against HKR tonight.
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| Someone go tell the Greek politicians that they're off the hook, it was all Labours fault!
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| Which party prior to the last election said
We have no plans to increase VAT
We will keep our AAA rating
We will wipe out the deficit within one parliament
We will not undertake a top down review of the NHS
We will reduce immigration
Vote blue go green
It worked last time so they are trying it again how quickly some of you forget the promises they made and broke.
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| Getting a bit silly and I can't go through and clean up before the game.
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