If you are referring to me, maybe you missed:

If you (or anybody else for that matter) think Collis has an effective offload game, then I can live with that. If you think that 1 lovely offload last night makes that true then again, I can live with that.

Personally, I wouldn't say that we have seen enough yet to suggest that Collis has an effective offload game - I hope he proves me wrong and he slips a few more of those for Foxy in the coming weeks.

Best player on the pitch by far yesterday and he should be in the exiles squad, as should Aiton and Tim Smith. Anybody that fully appreciates the games he has played in this season can recognise this.

He needs signing on a long term deal if Wakefield are going to continue to progress (from Agar's comments I think they will be working on that). Agar also needs to be signed up on a longer deal aswell.



We've got some good overseas players in Dean Collis, Ali Lauitiiti, Tim Smith, Paul Aiton and Justin Poore and they need to be retained.

Why

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Just looked it up and we've got him for another 2 seasons anyway so if he stays fit he'll continue to get his plaudits week in and week out for Wakefield regardless of sceptics. He's only 27.

I admit last season he used to go missing but think that was something to do with injuries. This season he's been very good and a real handful for the opposition creating tries for Fox and Aiton yesterday.

We've got a good team we just need a bit more consistency and keep our defence tight.

Mainly due to the plentiful amount of tries he's created for Fox since he arrived. still if you want to ignore that thats up to you.

Your not one of those who thought Tim Smith was a terrible signing as well are you?

What makes you think I am ignoring the tries he has created for Foxy? I have noticed the space and time created by Collis for Fox on several occasions, I have noticed the significant contribution he makes to our attack and I have also noticed the fantastic service he has given Fox most weeks.

What's Tim Smith got to do with the price of fish?

So what's your beef with my post?

'But we have seen precious little of that sort of thing before'. Your line not mine. When to anybody watching its quite obvious we have seen it many times before as you have just admitted. Fox has scored nearly 30 tries in a season and a half, many of which have been created by Collis' flicks, offloads and passes. If anything he is creating more even more space this season as he is now fully fit and as such it is more apparent but he did it plenty last year as well.

As for Smith there was some bagging his signing last year, just wanted to check that you weren't one and knew something about the game!

I think you are taking the 'seen precious little of that sort of thing before' out of context - I am specifically referring to his offload game. For clarity, I will quote the post that seems to have got many wetting their collective knickers:



I thought it was fairly obvious I was referring to specifically "offloads". Not creating space. Not running great lines. Not drawing his man and passing. Not creating chances for Fox via his footwork. His offload game (that is to say passing in contact) isn't as good as the other aspects of his game, and despite a lovely pass lastnight to the winger I still don't think he has shown an effective offloading game.

And just for the avoidance of any doubt:

When did Aiton score ???????

Solid in attack AND defence! Does not always set his winger free, but has done more this season. Deffo worth an extension for me! Best quality centre we have had for some time. If we don,t keep him I think there will be plenty of others that want to!

Sorry typo he created tries recently for Fox (Catalan) and Aiton (Widnes) but had a very good game also yesterday.

I don't really understand where you're going with it and you seem to be focused on the wrong centre position that was the weak link in our back line where they scored through, did you see the game?

In some posts from you Collis is very good and then the one that I quoted it says you are still to be convinced he has an effective offload game? The player is pure class end of. Maybe you're trying too hard to be controversial?

"Focused on the wrong centre position?" Do you think I am confusing Collis with another player?

Who mentioned anybody as being a weak link?

I see no contradiction whatsoever in agreeing that Collis is a very good centre, but I am yet to be convinced he has an effective offload game. There are plenty of very good centres about that don't have an effective offload game, but the thing that separates a very good centre from a top drawer one (Lyon, Gidley, Moon et al) is the ability to get rid of the ball and put his winger away in the collision, and on all seen form Collis is yet to prove he can do this consistently and at the top level.

Maybe you're not trying hard enough to read or understand?

I agree with you Tommy

Thought he had signed until 2014? Even so, we should look to keep him until 2017!

Quote ="Willzay"Thought he had signed until 2014? Even so, we should look to keep him until 2017!'" He is under contract until 2014. www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/prof ... collis-172 ''Australian Dean Collis was the first signing made by Richard Agar following his appointment with the former West Tigers and Cronulla Sharks man arriving in West Yorkshire on a three-year deal.''

Quote ="Willzay"Thought he had signed until 2014? Even so, we should look to keep him until 2017!'" He is under contract until 2014. www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/prof ... collis-172 ''Australian Dean Collis was the first signing made by Richard Agar following his appointment with the former West Tigers and Cronulla Sharks man arriving in West Yorkshire on a three-year deal.''

I give up 10 tries in 13 matches so far for Collis with his winger Fox scoring 12 tries in the same amount of matches. There isn't an issue to look at for me when Mellars scored 3 in 12 last year and 1 in 5 this year albeit he has played out of position this year. He couldn't bend his back to take that pass from Cockayne with the line beckoning other day and didn't create space for Cockayne throughout the match.

Last season I would have said Collis didnt feed his winger enough that might have been due to them getting familiar with how they play and the slight injury he appeared to be carrying.This season has been different and we have seen a well fit and able Collis and him feed Fox when its needed plus his defence has been good.

Get the pen and paper now. He's class

You give up what? Discussing rugby league on a rugby league forum?

Collis and Fox have a great partnership that scores us plenty of points? Absolutely, Collis has been our most dangerous player by far in my opinion this year, more effective than even Ali and his contribution probably as important to us as that of Timmy Smith.

Mellers isn't in the same street and is a player we should be looking to replace with better in order to improve? Dead right, an odd decent shift away at Wigan is a poor return regardless of playing out of position.

Out of interest, do you think Collis has an effective offload game or not?

I'm guessing it's a yes as it has been from almost everyone else.

At risk of complicating the argument even further - the centre's ability to offload is dependant on the winger running the right line; does Foxy always do that?

He does to be fair, that's probably why he's on 12 it's a great partnership - bit of luck could have been 14.