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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Every time Mariano has played hes proved his worth.'"
I bet you cant even name every time hes played, another NGB4C pile of poo!!
Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Washbrook is the A in AVERAGE but yet is in everyweek Mariano above average yet loaned out.'"
I think many "knowledgable fans" might disagree, certainly last season!!
Quote ="newgroundb4cas"We have a coach that won't play him for personal resentment not ability its a joke.'"
How do you know?? another NGB4C pile of poo!!
Quote ="newgroundb4cas" I have gone off Agar now and this loan out rubbish for experience hasn't sat well with knowlegable fans.'"
I'm sure hes delighted and please dont consider yourself a member of the knowlegable fan brigade, your membership was declined!!!
Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Annakin deserves his place and so does Frankie !'"
I'll give you .5 out of 5 for getting this one half right.
You really are cringeworthy!!!
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| Another excellent post Kinley do me a favour you really contibute dont you ha ha ???
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| I'll defend your right to opinion NGB4C but I couldn't disagree more about Washbrook. He is a massive part of our team.
And more so, if you do want to play Frankie, you need a Washbrook even more for his workload in defense alone.
You have to have a balanced team.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Another excellent post Kinley do me a favour you really contibute dont you ha ha ???'"
Back up your points then, lets see some facts to back up your bold claims.
Any idiot can post the stuff you do (as you prove so often) any chance of you adding some substance to it though?
Lets see something to substantiate your claims!!
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| Quote ="vastman"Don't honestly know if he is a bad trainer, I'm just going on what some of the more sensible posters are suggesting. It seems the most rational reason - or simply that he doesn't fit. At the end of the day Agar has to make 20+ personalities many of which are quite strong blend together. He simply has to make the hard unpopular decisions that the rest of us don't have to that's what we pay him for.
I'm not "the coach is always right" I am however very much the coach knows his team better than I ever will. If he wants Frankie out so be as the other alternative is Agar out. If folk have lost confidence in Agar which is fair then they really ought to say so rather than question his every decision. That's not you by the way.'"
To be frank I’ve never had the confidence in Agar to lose, but I realised he’s’ here for the long run so I kind of accepted he’s the coach and as I said before he will live or die by his decisions. He knows a damn site more about the game then I ever will and when he’s talking about the game he makes a lot of sense so I’ll get over anything I disagree with.
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| I would go as far as to sat I do have confidence in Agar, but I don't always see what he is doing.
Letting a player go is not a worry to me. It's all about the team for me. If one player doesn't fit, even if he is good they need to go.
All the talk of Agar having his favourites....he's top dog. He's allowed..
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| Quote ="JINJER"Was it Danny Washbrook who got an award for most tackles in SL in a season last year? Just a thought.'"
It whas but i have to say he's been poor by those standards so far, thats not to say he won't turn the corner but last season is exactly that.
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| Quote ="El Rey"It whas but i have to say he's been poor by those standards so far, thats not to say he won't turn the corner but last season is exactly that.'"
Theres a few who have yet to set this season alight, you can add Ali, Kirmo, Aiton and Sykes to that list for me.
TBF we were hardly cracking pots at this stage last season, i just hope we aren't relying on a seven match unbeaten run to drag us up the table this time around.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I would go as far as to sat I do have confidence in Agar, but I don't always see what he is doing.
[uLetting a player go is not a worry to me. It's all about the team for me[/u. If one player doesn't fit, even if he is good they need to go.
[uAll the talk of Agar having his favourites....he's top dog. He's allowed[/u..'"
If the team was breaking some pots then thats fine but its not.
Thats simply not right, he's paid to run a team and get results not play favorites, not suggesting he is by the way but i don't agree.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Theres a few who have yet to set this season alight, you can add Ali, Kirmo, Aiton and Sykes to that list for me.
TBF we were hardly cracking pots at this stage last season, i just hope we aren't relying on a seven match unbeaten run to drag us up the table this time around.'"
Too right and i'm a big fan of Washy.
I can't see anything for us this season and with a settled squad its dissapointing.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Theres a few who have yet to set this season alight, you can add Ali, Kirmo, Aiton and Sykes to that list for me.
TBF we were hardly cracking pots at this stage last season, i just hope we aren't relying on a seven match unbeaten run to drag us up the table this time around.'"
You're right - no way that we will go on a run like last year again. However the next 4 fixtures provide potential to get 3 more wins on the board
Widnes (A)
Catalans (H)
Hull KR (A)
Cas (Magic Weekend)
I think we could get 3 wins from those with a little bit of luck/confidence and that would certainly help us and set us up for a tilt at the 8 again (although I don't think we will make it this year).
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| Quote ="El Rey"If the team was breaking some pots then thats fine but its not.
Thats simply not right, he's paid to run a team and get results not play favorites, not suggesting he is by the way but i don't agree.'"
What I mean El Rey is that he has a responsibility to build a team. He isn't playing favourites because they are mates, he is playing the people who he thinks can do the best job. For me they are his favourites.
I think some see it like a school team where you might not be picked if not liked.
I'm sure Agar doesn't go out on the lash with the players. He just needs them to do the job in HIS way. If they don't follow or he finds it hard to work with them I think he should be able to get rid, even if a good player.
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| Quote ="El Rey"If the team was breaking some pots then thats fine but its not.
Thats simply not right, he's paid to run a team and get results not play favorites, not suggesting he is by the way but i don't agree.'"
Here here we are 4th bottom behind Widnes it is clear he should give Frankie a go! We aint breaking potts thats why I am frustrated if we were going well in top 8 I would back him but we have been poor and we have let 1 of our better players go.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Here here we are 4th bottom behind Widnes it is clear he should give Frankie a go! We aint breaking potts thats why I am frustrated if we were going well in top 8 I would back him but we have been poor and we have let 1 of our better players go.'"
Give over, that is not what he said and he is only one of our better players in your opinionicon_rolleyes.gif
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| Quote ="vastman"Give over, that is not what he said and he is only one of our better players in your opinionicon_rolleyes.gif'"
Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?
Agar has still lots to prove I don't trust him yet hes got to earn my trust so far he hasn't JK played him every week and he shone now Kear has my trust the guy is a legend. Agar not yet good enough to gain anyones trust from what I have seen this year. Last year he did a decent job with Frankie in the side.
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| Are you frankie's dad?
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?/quote
He was (when he wasn't injured) and for me, he only showed flashes of quality; one of those annoying players, like Leon Pryce, who only injects himself into the game at certain times but is largely anonymous for long spells.
Frustrating in this case, as he could have had a similar presence on the pitch to Glenn Morrison, who ran the 'excellent lines' you keep banging on about, but for the full 80 mins, as well as being one of the most brutal and hurtful tacklers we've ever had. The difference between the two I guess is work ethic, motivation and possibly ticker.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?
Agar has still lots to prove I don't trust him yet hes got to earn my trust so far he hasn't JK played him every week and he shone now Kear has my trust the guy is a legend. Agar not yet good enough to gain anyones trust from what I have seen this year. Last year he did a decent job with Frankie in the side.'"
Mariano has played 42 times for Wakefield
23 in 2011 14 in 2012 and 5 this season
So actually Agar has played him quite a lot though not as much as JK but equally there was no one else either.
19 games is enough for Agar to make an assessment in my opinion. Whether it is a good or bad decision it isn't a case of giving him a try, he knows what he can do.
He is not just not playing him, he is making a decision about whether he wants to play him, based on his previous games and his time at training.
And trust? Why is that even in question?
I pretty confident he isn't trying to make us lose so I trust him to do the best he can.
Right now I think Agar is good enough. Time will tell.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?
Agar has still lots to prove I don't trust him yet hes got to earn my trust so far he hasn't JK played him every week and he shone now Kear has my trust the guy is a legend. Agar not yet good enough to gain anyones trust from what I have seen this year. Last year he did a decent job with Frankie in the side.'"
feel free to follow him to Fev and report back give it a rest
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?
Agar has still lots to prove I don't trust him yet hes got to earn my trust so far he hasn't JK played him every week and he shone now Kear has my trust the guy is a legend. Agar not yet good enough to gain anyones trust from what I have seen this year. Last year he did a decent job with Frankie in the side.'"
Why does he poop gold bars? Why does he deserve more chances than anyone else, he's had 5 starts he's not exactly been ignored.
As for Kear I wondered when that would happen, congrats for being the first to use that lame argument.
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| Quote ="PopTart"What I mean El Rey is that he has a responsibility to build a team. He isn't playing favourites because they are mates, he is playing the people who he thinks can do the best job. [uFor me they are his favourites. [/u
I think some see it like a school team where you might not be picked if not liked.
I'm sure Agar doesn't go out on the lash with the players. He just needs them to do the job in HIS way. If they don't follow or he finds it hard to work with them I think he should be able to get rid, even if a good player.'"
I see, sorry if i took what you said the wrong way.
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| Quote ="El Rey"I see, sorry if i took what you said the wrong way.'"
No problem. I didn't really explain myself properly.
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| I Personally don't like the saying the manager has favorites, it makes it sound like there's something underhand going on, like he isn't picking his best side just those he gets on personally better. Obviously like everyone that watches RL, people rate players differently and that's exactly what's going on here and like what's been said before he's in the best place to make an assessment of said player. I don't think for one moment if Agar thought Mariano was better than the other players in the side he wouldn't pick him, atetd he's as desperate as us to win games, it's his livelihood on the line.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Should he or should he not of been given a chance? Yes or no?
Agar has still lots to prove I don't trust him yet hes got to earn my trust so far he hasn't JK played him every week and he shone now Kear has my trust the guy is a legend. Agar not yet good enough to gain anyones trust from what I have seen this year. Last year he did a decent job with Frankie in the side.'"
You are fast becoming a complete joke.
I suspect Kear didn't play him every week to earn your trust - he did it because he thought Frankie was the best available to him at the time.
The same reason that Agar is not picking him now.
If Kear had had Kirmond, Lauitiiti and the Annekin that we have seen so much of this season, how many games do you think Frankie would have got in front of them???
Bearing in mind standard practice is two 2nd rowers on the pitch and one on the bench, does he fit into those three places ahead of the ones named above?
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| Just out of interest, wasn't Frankie OOC at the end of last season? If Agar didn't think he had something to offer, wouldn't he have let him go instead of giving him another contract? Maybe he feels let down by a player he has rewarded with an improved contract based on his previous performances
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