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| I never thought I would think this, but the thought of our household income being £2K per season better off, plus no sky money is now starting to sound the best option. Bollox to RL could be my response
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| Quote ="jack in the box"I never thought I would think this, but the thought of our household income being £2K per season better off, plus no sky money is now starting to sound the best option. Bollox to RL could be my response
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| The time for action was when the present system was up for vote, sadly Wakefield voted to accept the system, only now Wakefield are under threat do people talk of protest. Most of the championship clubs were up in arms at the time, we got no support from any super league clubs, many have now accepted the decision and voted with there feet, im afraid if you do protest you will be on your own
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| Quote ="gingdong"The time for action was when the present system was up for vote, [usadly Wakefield voted to accept the system,[/u only now Wakefield are under threat do people talk of protest. Most of the championship clubs were up in arms at the time, we got no support from any super league clubs, many have now accepted the decision and voted with there feet, im afraid if you do protest you will be on your own'"
Yes the club did, i don't remember the Fans actually being part of that but i take the point.
We are on our own and we stand and fall on our own, not one person on here has asked for support from other fans/clubs and won't do so.
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| Quote ="gingdong"The time for action was when the present system was up for vote, sadly Wakefield voted to accept the system, only now Wakefield are under threat do people talk of protest. Most of the championship clubs were up in arms at the time, we got no support from any super league clubs, many have now accepted the decision and voted with there feet, im afraid if you do protest you will be on your own'"
The wonders of cut and paste.
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| Quote ="J.T"I imagine that this is where we will have to bite the bullet when/if the decision goes against us. The only thing that might save us is if AG can convince them that he is serious about the stadium development and Newmarket is going to happen. Sadly with our previous it may be a case of the boy who cried wolf.'"
I agree that is the catch-all which could be our undoing but the way I read it the last 3 criteria come after the A and B grading, so a B grade would mean you're in. The focus may in seeking clarification of why we weren't awarded a B grade.
I agree any protest would be about transparency, this is too important to allow the RFL to whitewash their decision making process.
I have a dream that on the 26th they'll announce that it's between Crusaders and ourselves based on finishing position, thus setting up "million pound game, part II", a JK special.
Unfortunately, I also have nightmares:
We get excluded and Cas get a franchise. NM gets the go-ahead, but GH runs into planning difficulties. The RFL put pressure on Cas, so they decide to be co-tennants at NM. Their crowds increase when they realise what a good facility it is. After 2 years playing there they experience further delays with their plans but their crowds are 5 times ours in the Championship, being the only SL club in the district. Tricky Dicky sees and opportunity to sell WR for housing, as the market has picked up a little, and turns Cas into a successful cash-rich SL club. Our chances of a return to SL are blocked..... forever.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Yes the club did, i don't remember the Fans actually being part of that but i take the point.
We are on our own and we stand and fall on our own, not one person on here has asked for support from other fans/clubs and won't do so.'"
The people that did vote for your club are representatives of your club including the fans
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| A protest would be frowned upon by the RFL and damage any future chances of a successful application. The club need to work with the governing body if they are to get a return in 2015, not against them.
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| First of all I come in peace...............but
i have been reading some of the posts on here over the last couple of weeks and you seem to be believing anything that anyone posts, just over the last week you have had posters insinuating that salford can't pay players crusaders aren't paying players and now that a council official is trying to put a spanner in the works. Take a step back and don't believe everything every tom dick and harry puts on here, as they are winding you up with gossip and rumors which probably hold about 1% of truth in the statements made.
Concentrate on what you can influence support your team get behind them turn up to games (even if you think the result won't go your way) I hope that come decision day the rfl get rid of the team that deserves to go and for all the right reasons and not just kept in superleague in the hope that one day they can stand on their own two feet.
You are obviously scared about what the future holds for you but keep fighting to the end, but base your fight on facts not rumors (as if you start protesting about things which turn out to be false you are going to look very silly). The best post on this thread is the one that states any protest should be about the transparency of the process.
Good luck come decision day let hope the right decison is made
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I think we should all cancel our Sky subscriptions too!'"
Yep! Use P*P instead!
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| Quote ="gingdong"The people that did vote for your club are representatives of your club including the fans'"
Ok so i'm part German and must a a Jew slayer.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Ok so i'm part German and must a a Jew slayer.'"
Al doesn't look anything like a Neo-Nazi trust me!
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| Quote ="tropical1"First of all I come in peace...............but
i have been reading some of the posts on here over the last couple of weeks and you seem to be believing anything that anyone posts, just over the last week you have had posters insinuating that salford can't pay players crusaders aren't paying players and now that a council official is trying to put a spanner in the works. Take a step back and don't believe everything every tom dick and harry puts on here, as they are winding you up with gossip and rumors which probably hold about 1% of truth in the statements made.
Concentrate on what you can influence support your team get behind them turn up to games (even if you think the result won't go your way) I hope that come decision day the rfl get rid of the team that deserves to go and for all the right reasons and not just kept in superleague in the hope that one day they can stand on their own two feet.
You are obviously scared about what the future holds for you but keep fighting to the end, but base your fight on facts not rumors (as if you start protesting about things which turn out to be false you are going to look very silly). The best post on this thread is the one that states any protest should be about the transparency of the process.
Good luck come decision day let hope the right decison is made'"
2 points, 1 Box did show up at the meeting with Savilles, 2 Crusaders owe wages to players and the union and the RFL are involved.
Those are facts.
Other than that you are right mate.
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| Not a good analogy Al. You know as well as I do what Gingdong is saying.
Your club and fans are represented by your BoD. They (the BoD) made a decision without a whiff of protest from Wakey fans - well not one i can remember! Now, there is talk of protest and rightly so in my opinion. - The licencing thing is NOT transparent and there is now disquiet amongst the wakey bretheren as that decision by the wakey BoD comes back to haunt them!
Perhaps the time for disquiet was back then?? Perhaps it's now?? I don't know! What I do know is, despite protestations, wholesale comment both offical and unoffical, the RFL have their heels dug in on this issue and I cannot for the life of me see where Trinity will ever get back.
Other northern clubs are higher in the pecking order and even another French, Welsh, Scottish or Irish franchise would fit the RFL's portfolio better than Trinity's would!
Not doing the analogy Al. I have some Jewish family!
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| Quote ="Rotherham Fev Fan"Not a good analogy Al. You know as well as I do what Gingdong is saying.
[uYour club and fans are represented by your BoD.[/u They (the BoD) made a decision without a whiff of protest from Wakey fans - well not one i can remember! Now, there is talk of protest and rightly so in my opinion. - The licencing thing is NOT transparent and there is now disquiet amongst the wakey bretheren as that decision by the wakey BoD comes back to haunt them!
Perhaps the time for disquiet was back then?? Perhaps it's now?? I don't know! What I do know is, despite protestations, wholesale comment both offical and unoffical, the RFL have their heels dug in on this issue and I cannot for the life of me see where Trinity will ever get back.
Other northern clubs are higher in the pecking order and even another French, Welsh, Scottish or Irish franchise would fit the RFL's portfolio better than Trinity's would!
Not doing the analogy Al. I have some Jewish family!'"
You know full well Ted Richardson represented himself and no one else, nothing any fan said or did altered any outcome and never would.
Yes i understand exactly what he's saying but come on you can't point the finger at every fan.
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| I wasn't! What I was saying is - the time for protest has passed! It should have been back then!
The "I'm alright Jack" attitude of SL is something you [imay[/i get used to! Trinity's optimism, the sell of hope and a new stadium etc by your previous BoD perhaps gave you the impression that if there was to be a team facing the drop, it wouldn't be Trinity. And of course, Ted's input into Tinity's fate is well documented and every Trin fan has an opinion on him!
But, as a fan of a championship club, who has felt the full scale of the RFL's marginalising of the game outside SL, I can't help feeling - that those wishing to protest should have done it a long time ago!
The whole system stinks, and I'm trying my level best here to emphasise the depth my feeling towards the RFL/SL, and the direction our game is going without bypassing the swear filter - it's NOT easy!!!
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| I voted no, for the simple reason of, the decisions made and nothing short of the Crusaders or another club going bust before the start of next season will change that.
As frustrating as this is, 100% of our efforts should be focused on the future and not wasted on the past.
If we are out again, it's not because we aren't good enough, it's because of contrived circumstances, we can hold our head high.
Other that contributed to our downfall may have it on their consciences (and i hope they do, but sadly i doubt it!!) but not the players or supporters of our club.
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| I for one don't think that the time for protest has passed.
Whilst not happy with the decision I could accept us losing our licence if we were shown the scoring applied to each franchise application and it turned out that ours was not one of the 13 strongest from the current 14 SL clubs plus Halifax.
I have stated all along that if the RFL publish and justify their decisions with facts then I would accept it. What I will not accept (without a fight anyway) is that we have been sacrificed for a club that scores worse than us and brings less to the game than us. It may do no good but the RFL and various press establishments will hear from me in that case and I will quite happily besmirch the name of the RFL. At the end of the day Rugby League is a SPORT and I feel on-field performance should carry some weight. The RFL seem totally at odds with this theory which is just ridiculous in my opinion.
Sorry but I for one am not prepared to just accept any decision and go away quietly in the hope of being accepted back in 3 years time. What we as fans can do may have little sway but I don't believe we should give up with barely a whimper.
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| I think stand/sit in protest at a away ground .... Im not joking I think we should do this.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I think stand/sit in protest at a away ground .... Im not joking I think we should do this.'"
Yeah but you've got enough fat reserves to be going for weeks
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| I voted no because we knew what we had to do and if we had done it in the number of years we were in superleague we would not be having this discussion.
Salford are doing it for example.
It looks cheap protesting after we have been through the process which we agreed to and failed.
Also I thought we would make every effort to make the rfl have difficult time throwing us out by finishing in a decent position but it's looking like we couldn't even do that (check our delegation rivals salford/cas) table position.
I know ppl will start on about crusaders and that irks me too but at the end of the day we all know rfls agenda re expansion and IMO we were never competing for a superleague place with cru
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| I have no complaints to be honest if we lose out licence on the 26th. We have had more than enough time to sort tings out. We dug ourselves into the mess we are in. Nobody else put us into administration and caused our present problems.
I do think that Championship rugby will give us chance to regroup and come out stronger. We will have 3 years move the club forward and plan accordingly. We do need the fans to stick by the club, i know we have been let down, but this is a time when the club need us most.
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| Quote ="youngcat"I have no complaints to be honest if we lose out licence on the 26th. We have had more than enough time to sort tings out. We dug ourselves into the mess we are in. Nobody else put us into administration and caused our present problems.
I do think that Championship rugby will give us chance to regroup and come out stronger. We will have 3 years move the club forward and plan accordingly. We do need the fans to stick by the club, i know we have been let down, but this is a time when the club need us most.'"
Wow - your negativity is disgusting and you give the place a bad vibe !
So how do crusaders deserve a place more than us ? We went to administration yes but is that the fans fault should we be punished.? Out of administration we have a very good young ambitious owner it wasn't a bad thing its a good thing I argue should this be a point down? Wheres Crusaders young ambitious owner then? I still dont no who bailed them out !. Was it our fault a conservative sent our ground to a PE? We have done everything set by the RFL . I will be flaming appauled by the decision on the 26th if it goes against us. We have a young british team remember one of the key areas of franchising was to start to compete with Australia so how can a team of young brits be preffered to a team of 3rd rate aussies in bloody Wrexham? If Wrexham is the best they can do for spreading the game then they can stick the game up there backsides! Everyone who is a true RL fan knows Wakefield belong in Super League ... What as been done as been done we are set for the f [size=150uture!!! [/sizeits the best we have looked off the pitch for many years thus including our 1873 membership scheme we are set up for developing the game. This will be totally the wrong time to kick us out the past yes but the future is what counts this is why we should get the nod !! The Future is what counts not the past so do one with your poor negative attitude its not needed here we dont need it!
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Wow - your negativity is disgusting and you give the place a bad vibe !
So how do crusaders deserve a place more than us ? We went to administration yes but is that the fans fault should we be punished.? Out of administration we have a very good young ambitious owner it wasn't a bad thing its a good thing I argue should this be a point down? Wheres Crusaders young ambitious owner then? I still dont no who bailed them out !. Was it our fault a conservative sent our ground to a PE? We have done everything set by the RFL . I will be flaming appauled by the decision on the 26th if it goes against us. We have a young british team remember one of the key areas of franchising was to start to compete with Australia so how can a team of young brits be preffered to a team of 3rd rate aussies in bloody Wrexham? If Wrexham is the best they can do for spreading the game then they can stick the game up there backsides! Everyone who is a true RL fan knows Wakefield belong in Super League ... What as been done as been done we are set for the f[size=150uture!!! [/sizeits the best we have looked off the pitch for many years thus including our 1873 membership scheme we are set up for developing the game. This will be totally the wrong time to kick us out the past yes but the future is what counts this is why we should get the nod !! The Future is what counts not the past so do one with your poor negative attitude its not needed here we dont need it!'"
As per usual you have missed the point of the post. We have only our selves to blame that is Wakefield Trinity Wildcats and nobody else. We have had more than enough time to resolve the ground issue. I understand from other threads that Land sale agents are advertising BV for sale and that our lease expires at the end of the year - how the hell did that come about? We should have never been put in this position. I do realise that these are not connected with AG, but others were involved who are still in employment with the club. I do not see this as negativity but realism (i would imagine most neutral fans would take this view also) and your typical belligerent, unintellectual, naive response is as ridiculous as your avatar picture.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Wow - your negativity is disgusting and you give the place a bad vibe !'"
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