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| Quote ="vastman"Both for the same reason - expectations that don't match resources. The clubs current set up at BV IMO simply cannot sustain a SL team let alone one that will succeed.
Sports clubs are unique in that there reason to be which is to provide entertainment and trophies is diametrically opposed to good business planning which is all about profit. Especially in our case. You see we don't base our business strategy on profit but on league position which is hard to predict. We are continually forced to take risks based on non profit pressures and invest far more than we should in assets that may or may not pay off - Hickey is a good example - no reason until he arrived to assume he wasn't a good addition to the squad. These are risks most businesses don't take. If it were just about profit as other businesses we'd sign 20 17 year olds on pin money and count the cash. But as you know that wouldn't work because no one would pay to watch, they say they would but they wouldn't and we'd still lose money
Yes the club could be run better as could all clubs but our specific problem is that we can't absorb the mistakes like others because we don't have the turn over. Leeds could write Hicky off as one of those things but for us it's a huge drain.
It's just my opinion but I can't see this club ever being sustainable at any level whilst still at BV or at least BV as it is now.
Martin Edwards (ex Man United Chairman) said, you cannot run any football team as a business, all you can do is run it in a business like manner which isn't the same thing.'"
I take it, this is from a perspective of playing in SL next year and not, if we went down to the Championship. |
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| Quote ="The Clan"[isnipped[/i. Even if we don't keep them signing them to contracts would mean that we received a transfer fee for them and that should go back into the junior cycle.'"
Actually, that I didn't think of. Good point well made. |
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| Quote ="The Clan"I would expect the club to be investing in the infrastructure, beefing up our scholarship to include organised tours to Australia and university degrees. I also expect them to offer better training facilities and a wider exposure to coaches of different disciplines and finally to offer a contract that competes with other clubs, we lost a few young players to Castleford because Cas offered more money.
In the long run we may or may not keep the players we develop, Newmarket and the ability to spend the cap might mean we can keep them. Even if we don't keep them signing them to contracts would mean that we received a transfer fee for them and that should go back into the junior cycle.'"
Some of our more promising junior talent is being targeted by the bigger fish again by the sounds. It really is quite disheartening. |
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| Quote ="The Clan"Totally ignoring their claims for 1st team selection is tantamount to inviting them to leave IMO!
There's nothing worse than putting in at training and playing your heart out in every game only to be overlooked even after the 1st team is getting flogged every week.
When feeling so unappreciated a knock on the door from Mr Rhino or Mr Bull can be very inviting.'"
Yet some believe Kear nurtures our young players  |
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| Quote ="Willzay"Someone should tell the bigger fish to f**k off and develop their own talent, selfish buggers.'"
the salary cap was supposed to stop clubs being able to monopolise all the best players.
that worked well didn't it?. |
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The grass is not always greener though you ask Cain Southernwood. How many games has he played. He would have been given more of a chance with us.
My only frustration is the persistance with Rinaldi when Davy as been one of our stand out performers.
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| Quote ="The Clan"Totally ignoring their claims for 1st team selection is tantamount to inviting them to leave IMO!
There's nothing worse than putting in at training and playing your heart out in every game only to be overlooked even after the 1st team is getting flogged every week.
When feeling so unappreciated a knock on the door from Mr Rhino or Mr Bull can be very inviting.'"
You are spot on, we need to prove that there is a pathway into the first team for our kids. This may entice players to sign with us in the future. |
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"the salary cap was supposed to stop clubs being able to monopolise all the best players.
that worked well didn't it?.'"
Salary cap my ar5e - if Wigan, Shudds, Warrington and Saints are under the cap, I'll eat my hat.
For the record, it's a pretty awful hat - it'll be chewy and difficult to swallow. |
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| Quote ="bren2k"Salary cap my ar5e - if Wigan, Shudds, Warrington and Saints are under the cap, I'll eat my hat.
For the record, it's a pretty awful hat - it'll be chewy and difficult to swallow.'"
And will taste of celery! |
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Are we getting what we hoped or expected from Andy Glover??
I remain confused as to why someone who didnt follow the game and had only attended a hand full of Wakefield matches would buy the club.
To make money??There must be easier ways of making money than investing in pro sport,that notoriously swallow money into a black hole.
He makes all the right noises,but actions speak louder than words.
Some of the actions we have seen:
Releasing Millard and Jeffries -- presumably to cut wage bill?
Signing more overseas players,that are no better than whats available here -- presumably because they were cheaper?
Some of the words we have read:
The biggest announcement in the clubs history!!!Was it really?
We are close to a major signing,again,again and again.And then we announce its Tadulala!!!!
The guy is clearly very good at the pr side,weve had our expectations built up time and time again in his short reign -- so we will continue to part with our cash.
Personally i feel like ive been had by the double glazing salesman i should never have invited into my home.
Or am i being too harsh?
Is he really the Knight in Shining Armour that will drive us forward?'"
you dont by a rugby club to make money, can anyone tell me if there is a rugby league or even a football team thats in profit. |
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| Quote ="grae"you dont by a rugby club to make money, can anyone tell me if there is a rugby league or even a football team thats in profit.'"
Sheffield Eagles reported a profit last week, Im sure I read in LE. |
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| Quote ="Roonaldo6"Sheffield Eagles reported a profit last week, Im sure I read in LE.'"
They made an operating profit which isn't the same although it's better than a loss. It's long term debt and cash flow that get you in the end. Eagles may have been lucky, for instance they may not have incurred any bad debt say a supplier not paying a bill for an executive box. Or just had a year of low expenditure. I doubt there are any clubs who's long term or historical debt doesn't increase yearly it's just that their income probably increases enough to cope. However should interest rates go really high as predicted some could be in real bother. |
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| Quote ="vastman"They made an operating profit which isn't the same although it's better than a loss. It's long term debt and cash flow that get you in the end. Eagles may have been lucky, for instance they may not have incurred any bad debt say a supplier not paying a bill for an executive box. Or just had a year of low expenditure. I doubt there are any clubs who's long term or historical debt doesn't increase yearly it's just that their income probably increases enough to cope. However should interest rates go really high as predicted some could be in real bother.'"
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