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| Quote ="CAT TRICK"=#4000BFTHE PROBLEMS ARE UPSTAIRS'"
Agreed.
I don't think Kear is the problem. I think the problems are coming from higher up. I'd be interested to see what would have happened if Eric France and Steve Ferres had been allowed to join the board a couple of years back.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Agreed.
I don't think Kear is the problem. I think the problems are coming from higher up. I'd be interested to see what would have happened if Eric France and Steve Ferres had been allowed to join the board a couple of years back.'" I dread to think.
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| Teds never going to sell up He would have to support all the family to start with cos none of them would get jobs anywhere else,
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| Lets swap - Matterson for Kear?
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| Quote ="invmatt"Lets swap - Matterson for Kear?'"
Frying pan to fire springs to mind with that suggestion
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Well I know the full details of Brough leaving and at the time considereing all the circumstances I would have done the same. The mistake we made was listening to JK and thinking Paul cooke would go someway to filling the gap.'"
Depends which version everyone listens to I suppose , we should have got a scrum half for Brough end of
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"People seem to be forgetting,that Kear is part of the football committee that sanction comings and goings.
The players we have are Kears.
Kear signed the likes of Johnson,extended Demetrious contract,thought Obst was worthy of a quota spot,brought back Ben Jeffries,thought Paul Cooke would replace Brough.
Kear coaches the team,Kear should be motivating the team.
Kear is the man responsible,whether people like it or not,for our on the field performances.The book stops with him and at this moment that book should be thrown at him.'"
Johnson has been unlucky so how can you criticise that one, who would you have in place of JD, Cooke, BJ , Obst ? Would you keep Latu ?
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Load of tosh!!
The difference between us winning and loosing that game, was one thing!
More acurately one player, one D. Brough!!
The decision to release him for whatever resin has proved to be a massive error.
This week like two weeks ago against crusaders we were rubbish but we were beaten by equal rubbish, we were never gonna win the league but a broughy led side would have picked up four more points.
We let broughy go for the betterment of Wakefield Trinity, I would love whoever sanctioned that deal to come out publicly and explain to the fans where we are benefiting currently or what planned benefits we have to expect, because as far as I can see, we are clueless.
As for Cooke, he's abysmal, I just hope he gets home sick sooner rather than later!!!!'"
I wholey agree with this. They should have had a replacement lined up before he went, grave error of judgement.
Regards getting a new coach, JK can stay where he is, these players have shown us what they can do!
They're just showing that they cant/wont do it every week which is not good enough!
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| Don't blame Kear he's doing his best with his hands tied behind his back. The board in my opinion are fully responsible. This team has gone backwards 7 years in 7 weeks. Five drives and a bomb to corner against an injury ravaged team!!! Diabolical! You just cannot win a game without quality halves. Cooke is a total waste of skin, why Kear keeps bigging him up is beyond belief. Drew and Brough ripped these apart last season now where are they?? Demetriou is doing more harm than good now although you can't fault his effort and commitment he must call it a day. A top half back is a must and who are we looking at bringing in Stosic??? Why?? Fans are dropping like flies at Belle Vue/Hearwell and today's shambles is another nail in the coffin of our next franchise bid.
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| Quote ="feline"Johnson has been unlucky so how can you criticise that one, who would you have in place of JD, Cooke, BJ , Obst ? Would you keep Latu ?'"
Feline,i was questioning the signing or extending contracts of these players,which Kear played his part in.
This is Kears team,not one that he has inherited and they are playing without desire or motivation.Even supporters from other teams have commented tonight how uninterested our players looked.
Everyone seems to say that we have limited resources and Kear does a good job with whats at his disposal and in the past he may well have.Unfortunately i feel that we have now reached a crossroads with Kear,in that our on field performances are reflecting just how limited our resources are.On current form i would think we are pretty much facing finishing in the bottom two,as i just cant see were another win would come from.The recent performances that have been served up,dont indicate Kear is working on just limited resources,but performances that are akin to the lowest budget in the league.
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| Quote ="trin77"Don't blame Kear he's doing his best with his hands tied behind his back. The board in my opinion are fully responsible. This team has gone backwards 7 years in 7 weeks. Five drives and a bomb to corner against an injury ravaged team!!! Diabolical! You just cannot win a game without quality halves. Cooke is a total waste of skin, why Kear keeps bigging him up is beyond belief. Drew and Brough ripped these apart last season now where are they?? Demetriou is doing more harm than good now although you can't fault his effort and commitment he must call it a day. A top half back is a must and who are we looking at bringing in Stosic??? Why?? Fans are dropping like flies at Belle Vue/Hearwell and today's shambles is another nail in the coffin of our next franchise bid.'"
But these are Kears tactics.
You say dont blame Kear and then question why Kear keeps "bigging"him up.
I would suggest because Kear has lost the plot.
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| This is a brutal situation for Kear - how do you legislate for losing three players, one of whom you have built a squad around, two of whom were signed to strengthen. The hard yards are harder to come by without a Tronc (or Stosic). Our halves struggle without that same platform, not least when none of those halves are natural scrum halves, a huge hole left by Danny Brough. Our hands were tied with Brough; we did the right thing to let him go but we didn't get like for like as payment which was never going to happen anyway. Who could we sign at this part of the year? But that leaves us without a quality kicking game and the nous to get over the line. Creativity and pace are suddenly gone. Cooke? He's been poor. Never a Brough replacement though, and was never meant to be. Obst, Jeffries and Cooke are faced with responsibility that doesn't suit their games. The revolving door must be crippling to confidence in the camp.
It's helped less when you have all the field position to win a game several times over and keep dropping the ball or executing passes and kicks poorly. That's not Kear's fault. He has so few options left. For probably the only time I'll agree with NGB4C that we need a scrum half and a prop to give us some stability and attacking edge but I fail to see where they'll come from at this point in time...
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| Quote ="Doratheexplorer"Agreed, deregister him, allow him to run on water, get his testimonial and then work with the kids and develop correct attiduted, free up some valuable cap money and get someone who wan play in their own position properly'"
I have read some rubbish on this site, but that takes the cake
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| Quote ="Captain Library"This is a brutal situation for Kear - how do you legislate for losing three players, one of whom you have built a squad around, two of whom were signed to strengthen. The hard yards are harder to come by without a Tronc (or Stosic). Our halves struggle without that same platform, not least when none of those halves are natural scrum halves, a huge hole left by Danny Brough. Our hands were tied with Brough; we did the right thing to let him go but we didn't get like for like as payment which was never going to happen anyway. Who could we sign at this part of the year? But that leaves us without a quality kicking game and the nous to get over the line. Creativity and pace are suddenly gone. Cooke? He's been poor. Never a Brough replacement though, and was never meant to be. Obst, Jeffries and Cooke are faced with responsibility that doesn't suit their games. The revolving door must be crippling to confidence in the camp.
It's helped less when you have all the field position to win a game several times over and keep dropping the ball or executing passes and kicks poorly. That's not Kear's fault. He has so few options left. For probably the only time I'll agree with NGB4C that we need a scrum half and a prop to give us some stability and attacking edge but I fail to see where they'll come from at this point in time...'"
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| Quote ="Captain Library"This is a brutal situation for Kear - how do you legislate for losing three players, one of whom you have built a squad around, two of whom were signed to strengthen. The hard yards are harder to come by without a Tronc (or Stosic). Our halves struggle without that same platform, not least when none of those halves are natural scrum halves, a huge hole left by Danny Brough. Our hands were tied with Brough; we did the right thing to let him go but we didn't get like for like as payment which was never going to happen anyway. Who could we sign at this part of the year? But that leaves us without a quality kicking game and the nous to get over the line. Creativity and pace are suddenly gone. Cooke? He's been poor. Never a Brough replacement though, and was never meant to be. Obst, Jeffries and Cooke are faced with responsibility that doesn't suit their games. The revolving door must be crippling to confidence in the camp.
It's helped less when you have all the field position to win a game several times over and keep dropping the ball or executing passes and kicks poorly. That's not Kear's fault. He has so few options left. For probably the only time I'll agree with NGB4C that we need a scrum half and a prop to give us some stability and attacking edge but I fail to see where they'll come from at this point in time...'"
Strange things happen in Footy. The situation at Melbourne is going to be interesting in that quite a few players will have to be off loaded and quick. This may lead to other clubs cutting players to try and make room for whoever comes on the market and we are a club that has space both in cap and overseas spot. So you never know.
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Not a knee jerk reaction,but that was quite frankly appalling.
Not because we lost,not because we lack any creativity,not because our discipline is shocking,not because we are defensively poor,not even just because we are playing consistently garbage.
I totally accept that we have a pretty average squad and we are stuck with it.
But because the players appear to lack any motivation and are just going through the motions.
The key motivator for me is the coach and the last three games have shown this is seriously lacking.
Time for a change.'"
what a right load of bull if we sack JK we may as well call it a day and go plant bloody turnips at Belle Vue
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| This thread is way off the mark. Take last nights game - 2 or 3 decisions go the other way or 2 or 3 passes that were bombed are nailed and we win by 18.
Kear sent the team out to play to a pattern that was sufficient to create the chances which, had execution been good, would have delivered a handsome win. Ergo his tactics, whilst not the most attractive, were good enough.
On another day Gleeson catches the 2nd half bomb cleanly and dives over, Cook puts the ball to George's hands not feet and we score, the 50 / 50 decision re the 2nd Whiteing try goes our way. Under these circumstances our season is back on track.
This raises the question of what Kear can do to improve the teams execution - do we really feel the team are under prepaird? I don't.
Don't panic. Things have been much wose than this before. I have all the faith in the world that the best person to resurect our season is JK. Get real people.
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| Quote ="inside man"I dread to think.'"
Doratheexplorer wrote:Another signing that Steve Ferres was instrumental in I beleive. that along with The Atkins money. Not a bad bit of business I believe. Good legacy, who I wonder is doing that type of work behind the scenes now?
Now then steve how is Brett getting on these days??
Some one with an obvious dislike for Ferres, simple fact SF would not have hung around for long, he never does. The next fact France's would have spent moremoney
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| Nonsense. What could we get or afford that's any better? Not the most attractive of jobs. Everyone seems to be agreed that it's quality players that are lacking and the problem with getting them is cash, so how stupid to sack the coach and pay him off spending yet more money we don't have and not improving the team.
Need to buy some quality personnel for on the field for JK to work with.
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| I have read some dross on this site before but this tops the lot!
The problems on the field are nothing to do with Kear. He is doing the best with what he has.
Yes we need better players if we want to move up the league....like everybody else
Yes we have been really hurt by our key players leaving....which they are trying to fix, but you can't just magic them up from nowhere.
I wish all the people popping out of the woodwork to have a go at Kear would turn up to the games too. We'd have no problem with crowds by the looks of things here.
We could even have an idiots pen so they acn all stick together.
Support the team. That's what is needed. No more no less
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| Quote ="moonriverman"Nonsense. What could we get or afford that's any better? Not the most attractive of jobs. Everyone seems to be agreed that it's quality players that are lacking and the problem with getting them is cash, so how stupid to sack the coach and pay him off spending yet more money we don't have and not improving the team.
Need to buy some quality personnel for on the field for JK to work with.'"
That would surely depend on what we are actually paying Kear.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Well I know the full details of Brough leaving and at the time considereing all the circumstances I would have done the same. The mistake we made was listening to JK and thinking Paul cooke would go someway to filling the gap.'"
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Here lies the problem, with me, and a number of other fans.
We are not party to all the facts. All we see is a team that now appears rudderless.
Whilst I would never expect you to betray your confidence, the release of DB has put the club back six months. I just hope the reasons are fully justified, because, the damage done by this decision, is evident to all.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I have read some dross on this site before but this tops the lot!
The problems on the field are nothing to do with Kear. He is doing the best with what he has.
Yes we need better players if we want to move up the league....like everybody else
Yes we have been really hurt by our key players leaving....which they are trying to fix, but you can't just magic them up from nowhere.
I wish all the people popping out of the woodwork to have a go at Kear would turn up to the games too. We'd have no problem with crowds by the looks of things here.
We could even have an idiots pen so they acn all stick together.
Support the team. That's what is needed. No more no less'"
And here in lies the crux of the problem.
Is he getting the best out of what we have?
I think we have an average squad,but the performances are below average,this is the coaches problem.
If the problems on the field have nothing to do with Kear,what is he employed for?I thought a coaches job was to motivate,instill desire,work on tactics and moves etc... --- none of these have been evident over the last few weeks.
If you think they are well coached,i respect your opinion.But becuase some feel the opposite doesnt make them idiots.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"P.B
Here lies the problem, with me, and a number of other fans.
We are not party to all the facts. All we see is a team that now appears rudderless.
Whilst I would never expect you to betray your confidence, the release of DB has put the club back six months. I just hope the reasons are fully justified, because, the damage done by this decision, is evident to all.'"
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This is not quite right. Last night we were cluless in attack but lost a game away at Hull scoring two trys each. The display was poor to watch but not the worst game of the season. Also like someone else posted with a bit of luck we could have pinched the game
People have short memories and the thrashing and nilling that Hudds gave us at home was far worse. It also seems to have been wiped out of history !
The other strange thing is that we had a scrum half called Danny Brough playing in that game! Can you work that one out ?
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