Some interesting Stats (via superleague.co.uk) for Kyle Bibb and Oli Wilkes prior to Monday;

Bibb

Appearances 8
Tries 0
Meters 486
Carries 70
Tackles 112
Offloads 7
Attacking Kicks 1
Tackle Busts 10
Marker tackles 18
Clean Breaks 1
Kicks in general play 1
Missed tackles 9
Errors 2
Penalties 2

Wilkes
8 Appearances
1 Tries
734 Meters
104 Carries
166 Tackles
2 Offloads
1 Attacking Kicks
4 Tackle Busts
19 Marker tackles
0 Clean Breaks
1 Kicks in general play
28 Missed tackles
3 Errors
5 Penalties


Not alot of difference there as far as i can see, the main difference being metre's made although that is due to more carries.

Massive differance in the missed tackles......in Bibbs favour! (in Wikes defence l guess he has played more minutes!)

Exactly, If anybody should shoulder the blame for both of Menzies tries' it should be Atkins. The 1st one he came in and took the wrong man and left Murphy with a 2 on 1 leaving him with no chance. And the second try Murphy did not have a Wakey player within 5 yard of him. Everybody in the ground knew what Jeffries was going to do Murphy included who was shouting for help, without sounding too critical if Atkins was where he should have been then perhaps Menzies might not have scored at all and got a mention because imo he did nothing else worthy of note considering he is supposedly their stand out player.

Lies, dammned lies and statistics.

You expect Wilkes to have slightly more errors, missed tackles, more carries and more metre's due to how long he plays.

I was just using those stats to show that Bibb a relative inexperienced prop is doing a great job and that two errors albeit in a bad part of the field do not take away from how he's played this season.

Well of course if they don't suit, in my experience they are far more accurate than the opinions of fans myself included.

No need to employ scouts anymore then!
Just look at the stats and bingo!

Stats prove/disprove points already made not necessarily make them.

Wait until he sees this

Kyle is a young lad with bucket loads of potential, give him TIME, anyone who knows anything about RL knows props mature a hell of a lot later than backs! Graham and Burgess are by no means the norm!

We could very well have diamond in the rough, just might take some polishing and some time! And no-one seems better qualified than JK! Best in the business for player development by a country mile!

Scouts and fans are two completely different things surely. A scout is a RL professional who knows his business, a fan is just a fan though some on here seem to consider themselves a bit more.

If you went on what fans on here spout, Blaymire has been anything between Platts the clowns understudy to the finest F/B ever to grace the British game. An opinion held by some almost simultaniously.

It's a myth to say stats lie, it's how people choose to use them that makes them true or false. I'm fairly sure JK knows the difference don't you.

Here is a perfect example of why you shouldn't listen to fans.

Bird = Awsome I rest my case



Now wait until he sees this...

I'm here!

from what i have seen i would rather have Murphy on the wing rather than Peterson

yes Bradford scored 2 tries on his wing yesterday but like all teams should they kicked to the least experanced winger

Menzies is a class player and Murphy was left defending a massive area alone, should the centre not have helped out more
also Murphy did some outstanding tackling one on one

i just hope that he is not going to be the next target when other teams score

Not you - him, I know you were drunk when you posted that what was his excuse

I love Hendo, he seems to get battered every week but just gets up and carries on without a second thought. And he had a good game yesterday.

In my opinion young Murphy is doing really well but makes me nervous every time he goes for a high ball - he runs with his arms and legs flailing everywhere, but somehow it seems to work for him.



Bibb just needs to practice holding the ball in a better way, I'm sure with more gametime he'll improve.

Sober as a judge me!

woh woh hold on their old boy! i'm not bagging FW i'm just saying the way some fans are talking its sounds like they are expecting him to come on in his first game and knock the opposition all over the park, and if he dont then they will be the first ones to bag him and shout for Bibb back in and send FW back to Oz,
I've seen FW play a couple of games and confident he will be a good un for us but not in the way some might think

Bibb is coming on just fine for me wow he dropped the ball twice yesterday and made the odd mistake he will for a prop he is young he wont be at his best for 5 or 6 years yet
give me a good young prospect like Bibb and Pitts any day over the likes of Korkidas and Hood

I am absolutely certain JK wouldnt bother looking at the stats when he has watched every Wakefield player for every minute of every game. Do you think that he does not know whats happening without reverting to stats? Come on vasty - Coffee wake the smell up and - rearrange

You would be absolutely wrong, the coaching staff go through the stats with the players after every game. You are either very naive or know nothing about the first thing about sport. In any sport you would care to mention statistics are the bible of coaches, especailly top level professional sport where inches can mean the difference between winning and losing.

And there goes any credibility.......

It would appear that I know a little more about english grammar than you.
Can I also point out that certainly in boxing statistics are not the bible of coaches. In defending myself on the charge of 'know nothing about the first thing about sport' I was an international amature boxer that then turned professional and was a paid sparring partner to five world champions - on no occasion did i ever see a coach refer to stats. Is that naive enough for you or do is still not know nothing about the first thing about the thingy thing called sport thing?

You've obviously taken one blow to the head too many

BTW, (that stands for by the way, by the way) the last throw of the dice for anyone that has lost an argument is to point out grammar mistakes

am i missing something here chaps??? it shouldnt be about one player better than an other we have a squad and to me every player will be taken out of firing line and given a game off to freshen up and in theory we should and imo have now players to rotate around without upsetting the applecart,for what its worth i think the young uns in bibb, pitts n murphy have done brill and if mr kear took them out of the firing line for a game or so it be no reflection on there game, they would come back fresh again and let someone else rest, its a long old season and teams like leeds and saints rotate n rest players regular, yes i know we not them we wakefield but i really think w got the players now and ones comming back too to let some of our players have a breather