Cummings is not a member of Conservative party.
If they should be tested twice weekly,why didn’t Ashworth propose that?!?
It was a stunt where even your beloved Labour Party Minister said where necessary !!
He put that much effort into the proposition he hadn’t even costed it or considered the logistics of what he proposed.

Well said Willzay!!!

On the ITV news tonight our wise prime minister told someone who was disturbed at the invasion of the beaches yesterday to, "Show some guts".
So the half million that invaded Bournemouth beach and those crowds celebrating Liverpool's championship were showing guts? What an a******e.
What a pity they closed Stanley Royd. The sooner they place that idiot somewhere that he can't be heard the better.

What I was reading into the comment was that it was aimed at the local councils / authorities to come down hard on the idiots who invaded the beaches but I could be wrong.

The way that he's been so gung-ho, and the eagerness to ease lockdown, I tend to believe my interpretation, BLM. No offence, mate.

A tree has fallen down in Lincoln. Bloody useless Johnson.

He was probably hiding behind it.

None taken Redscat

You totally undermine your argument by referring to the government as Tories in a derogatory way, as if all Conservative MP’s and voters are complicit. Are all Labour Party people Corbynites?

You seem incapable of differentiating between Boris, who I agree has been useless and the rest who have almost certainly tried to do their best. This Piers Morgan style hyperbole doesn’t wash with me.

Until you drop the obvious agenda and stick to fact I for one can’t take you seriously despite your steam hammer presentations

It's difficult for people who are partisan (in any direction) not to slant their posts from their own viewpoint.
However, there is little doubt that the "signposting" of easing restrictions, together with the actions of the infamous Tory advisor, has left people thinking "sod it" and off they go to please themselves.
At the risk of sounding like a miserable so and so, I can see any fun in sharing a beach with several hundred thousand strangers - not even in the "good times" and to do so when there is still a huge risk to peoples health ??
I've far more sympathy with the Liverpool fans.
Just imagine if Trinity won the cup or the League, you wouldn't want to mark the occasion with a can of Fosters in your front room.

Agree with most of the last paragraph WC, it reminds me of a scene from a Benidorm holiday hence why I don’t go there, the only point I slightly differ is that Liverpool have had plenty of huge success over recent years unlike us

but then again they are scouses

It’s a bit quiet on our forum just lately, let’s try and get some debate going again. I posted the above a couple of weeks ago, when many were bending the knee, politicians, sports celebrities, etc denouncing those who, criticised the BLM. Well, thankfully, theses people decided to look into what the BLMovement, real intentions are. Egg on face, for some.

Have I heard correctly that they support some overseas terrorist group, I’ve tried to follow up my info on various sites but struggling to find any thing.

I think you have to draw the clear distinction between the Black Lives matter organisation, and the Black Lives Matter movement. The movement is the aim that most right-minded people feel of ensuring BAME communities have the same advantages as white people. The organisation however, have specific policy objectives that you don't necessarily have to support (some of their objectives I strongly support, others I strongly disagree with). Crystal Palace for example have publicly distanced themselves from the organisation today, whilst assuring everyone that they support the movement / ethos.

They, the BLMovement/organisation have spoken out in support of the Palestinians in their struggle over Israeli occupation of some Palestinian land. Right or Wrong, many people think this is Antisemitism.

Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"They, the BLMovement have spoken out in support of the Palestinians in their struggle over Israeli occupation of some Palestinian land. Right or Wrong, many people think this is Antisemitism.'" The occupation of Palestinian land is illegal under international law, so it's legitimate to criticise that Israeli policy. Antisemitism would be using the actions of the state of Israel as a stick with which to beat the Jewish people. A common mistake people make for example is to say "the Jews" have taken Palestinian land. It is not a simple thing to debate safely if you ask me, and if anyone's interested on how to talk about Israel without straying inadvertently into dangerous territory the Actor David Schneider wrote this https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/an ... 05941.html

Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"They, the BLMovement have spoken out in support of the Palestinians in their struggle over Israeli occupation of some Palestinian land. Right or Wrong, many people think this is Antisemitism.'" The occupation of Palestinian land is illegal under international law, so it's legitimate to criticise that Israeli policy. Antisemitism would be using the actions of the state of Israel as a stick with which to beat the Jewish people. A common mistake people make for example is to say "the Jews" have taken Palestinian land. It is not a simple thing to debate safely if you ask me, and if anyone's interested on how to talk about Israel without straying inadvertently into dangerous territory the Actor David Schneider wrote this https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/an ... 05941.html

Quote ="Pumpetypump"The occupation of Palestinian land is illegal under international law, so it's legitimate to criticise that Israeli policy. Antisemitism would be using the actions of the state of Israel as a stick with which to beat the Jewish people. A common mistake people make for example is to say "the Jews" have taken Palestinian land. It is not a simple thing to debate safely if you ask me, and if anyone's interested on how to talk about Israel without straying inadvertently into dangerous territory the Actor David Schneider wrote this https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/an ... 05941.html'" And yet, the Israeli government have ignored and continue to ignore UN resolutions, year on year. un sanctions against israel The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2013, Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council. Since the creation of the Council in 2006, it has resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. Many of the condemnations are a result of Israel land grab and treatment of Palestinians by the Israel government over many years. I think I’ll leave it at that.

Quote ="Pumpetypump"The occupation of Palestinian land is illegal under international law, so it's legitimate to criticise that Israeli policy. Antisemitism would be using the actions of the state of Israel as a stick with which to beat the Jewish people. A common mistake people make for example is to say "the Jews" have taken Palestinian land. It is not a simple thing to debate safely if you ask me, and if anyone's interested on how to talk about Israel without straying inadvertently into dangerous territory the Actor David Schneider wrote this https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/an ... 05941.html'" And yet, the Israeli government have ignored and continue to ignore UN resolutions, year on year. un sanctions against israel The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2013, Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council. Since the creation of the Council in 2006, it has resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. Many of the condemnations are a result of Israel land grab and treatment of Palestinians by the Israel government over many years. I think I’ll leave it at that.

No matter what you think of some of the people in that movement these things in my opinion cannot be contested
1) They don't speak for everyone who supporting the cause that has used the mantra of Black Lives Matter mantra
2) Black Lives actually do matter
3) In 2020 we shouldn't be discussing whether some human beings should matter more than others just because of the colour of their skin.

Quote ="Pumpetypump"The occupation of Palestinian land is illegal under international law, so it's legitimate to criticise that Israeli policy. Antisemitism would be using the actions of the state of Israel as a stick with which to beat the Jewish people. A common mistake people make for example is to say "the Jews" have taken Palestinian land. It is not a simple thing to debate safely if you ask me, and if anyone's interested on how to talk about Israel without straying inadvertently into dangerous territory the Actor David Schneider wrote this https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/an ... 05941.html'" I think your point is a pretty easy one to understand. I don't feel responsible for all the land grabs and atrocities of the world caused by Christian countries, so I don't think Jews should be criticised because of the actions of Israel. Saying that, Israel is in a very dangerous position being surrounded by countries that would happily wipe them off the earth, so it isn't easy to understand what they do without being there and living how they have to live.

Quote ="Pumpetypump"The occupation of Palestinian land is illegal under international law, so it's legitimate to criticise that Israeli policy. Antisemitism would be using the actions of the state of Israel as a stick with which to beat the Jewish people. A common mistake people make for example is to say "the Jews" have taken Palestinian land. It is not a simple thing to debate safely if you ask me, and if anyone's interested on how to talk about Israel without straying inadvertently into dangerous territory the Actor David Schneider wrote this https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/an ... 05941.html'" I think your point is a pretty easy one to understand. I don't feel responsible for all the land grabs and atrocities of the world caused by Christian countries, so I don't think Jews should be criticised because of the actions of Israel. Saying that, Israel is in a very dangerous position being surrounded by countries that would happily wipe them off the earth, so it isn't easy to understand what they do without being there and living how they have to live.

So, are you saying that because the actions of our forefathers centuries ago,(not just the English) that criticism of any country, community, isn’t allowed, and some nations should be allowed to continue doing, because our forefathers did so.

I've always been of the opinion that to be anti-Israel is not the same as to be antisemitic.

I know more cases are coming to light because more testing is being carried out locally, but it seems to prove we all still need to be careful.
810 more coronavirus cases diagnosed in Wakefield
Public Health England (PHE) figures show that 1,602 people had been confirmed as testing positive for Covid-19 by 9am on Thursday (July 2) in Wakefield, up from 792 the same time on Wednesday.

The health body is now including Pillar 2 tests – those carried out by commercial partners – alongside Pillar 1 tests, which are analysed in NHS or PHE laboratories and which made up the first stage of the Government's mass testing programme.

The rate of infection in Wakefield now stands at 464 cases per 100,000 people, higher than the England average of 436.

Quite the opposite.
I'm saying criticise the country not the people.

Lets face it we can't criticise other countries whilst refusing to admit our own wrongs. Dresden was a war crime for example that we refuse to admit.

You are right that we are indeed responsible for our own actions.
However, the direction and example should be set by those in charge and they have been found wanting.
Even the PM's dad, who is in the over 70's group, went of on an "essential" trip to check that his properties were covid safe.

Not only have high level government ministers and advisors pleased themselves, when called out, to a man, they have been backed by the PM and allowed to carry on. What message does this send to the masses ?
Is it, stick to the guidelines and help keep everyone safe or, is it, do as you please ?

As for "responsible adults, they will be out getting severely hammered tonight.
By 9.30, social distancing will be done and the quest for the next pint will take priority over EVERYTHING and all this, encouraged by everyone from the PM, Prince William etc.

As I said, this is all about leadership and setting an example.