Even for you this is contorted logic.

You said and I quote (roughly) "Cummins is an exceptional young coach". You said the about two weeks ago!!!

So who is this super coach then who can do better and win Bradford 4 games minimum. Not saying it's impossible hell we did it but it's not the certainty you seem to suggest.

As for the Bradford players listed if we had signed them I guarantee you'd be telling us how crap they all are whilst those lads at Bradford like Collis, Anderson, Ryan and Godinet (any Wakey player) are brilliant - that's how contrary you have become. Both Bradford and Wakefield are equally poor, stop trying to big Bradford up to make whatever point you're trying to make. Come on belly I know you can do better with your sparkling Eton repartee

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Absolutely.

It's far too simplistic to say, "we should try to win every game!" That's armchair coaching taken to extremes.

Modern RL is about squad management and ensuring that you optimise your efforts in those areas that are most likely to yield the best results; taking into account player fatigue, injuries, strengths and weaknesses relative to those of the opposition, effect on final league placings etc etc ad infinitum. There are a huge amount of variables and no amount of internet pontificating will simplify that process - that's why so few of us are SL coaches.

I said Cummins is an very impressive young man, I was refering to the way he has conducted himself whist at Bradford. He has never moaned and just got on with it. I could not comment on his coaching ability. I also would be happy to swap sick note Collis for any Bradford player, and I am concerned that Godinet may not be up to speed, though I suspect he has been poorly managed by Agar, his display against London made Seiker look good. Bradford and Wakefield are not equally poor. Bradford have proven that they are considerably better than us. I believe that Bradford, for whatever reason, have underperformed, their squad on paper is a very good side. We on the other hand have not underperformed, we had a poor coach and a poor squad. I think that our club have done the best job possible within their budget, I think that Smith will improve us and that Webster can`t do any worse that Agar. The combined weakness of mind and lack of leadership displayed by our palyers in the first half against London was staggering, the good news was that Webster got them to improve for the second half. I also thought that our defence looked better organised which is encouraging. Lets hope we can show improvement against Wigan.

I;ve never known you ever think we have a good squad, that's your opinion. But to state the current Bradford squad is better than ours is IMHO wrong. They are roughly the same and I reckon you know that deep down.

It was interesting on RL Fulltime last night that John Kear did not deny that he could be in line for the Bulls job. It would be ironic if he was leading the fight for them to avoid relegation at our expense.

It gives me no pleasure to draw your attention, Vasty , to our recent results against Bradford that I think prove my point re the relative merits of our squad v Bradfords squad. Lets look at selecting a team from the two squads.

Carney, Kear, Purtil, Walshaw, Foster, Gale, Tim Smith, Moore, Diskin, Manuofaka, Kirmond, Olbison, Donaldson

Tautai, McShane, Ali, Walker.

I don`t think even you can argue with that Vasty.

Foster can't even get in the Bradford team, bar goal kicking either of our wingers are better than him. Collis (if you're picking Ali then injury records don't count) for Purtill, Ryan for Olbison, Anderson for Walker. All improves that side imho.

Think I can but I won't bother because your just choosing to be negative for the pure sake of it - I mean Foster, give me a break.

Bradford have been beating us for years, just like we've been beating Hull and Widnes for years - and low and behold this year went to script - don't know, why it just happens - does not make Bradford a good team or Hull and Widnes poor ones does it.

To miss out Ryan says it all really.

So you would drop Kirmond and play Ryan. I think not, and you would be plain mad to drop Olison who is a fantastic player.That said you must be mad if you think Collis, who is average on a good day is better than Purtil. Which of our wingers is better than Foster, Owen ? Mathers ? I think not, Luke George gets in ahead of our wingers.

Of course I would, just because you think he's the bees knees doesn't mean he is. No offence but I've never found your opinion on players to be any more accurate or concise than 99% of the other posters on here, me included.

You appear to be suggesting Olison is better than Kirmond which demonstrates to me your either barking mad or on a wind up.

Owen IMO always has been a way better player than Foster, you seem to one of the few people to highly rate the walking hair cut. Mathers isn't a winger, so a silly point. I'd actually agree with you about George but Lynne is better than Foster despite your pathological dislike of hi broken toe.

Also whenever I meet you in the flesh you are far less negative than this, mmm

It's all opinions, but your wrong.

Kettle black and grimy ar is there Vasty.

Edited to save me looking stupid!

I'm rarely negative tbh, out spoken and perhaps unintentionally rude

perhaps but not negative and I think you know that.

"It's all opinions, but your wrong."

Has to be the best quote I've seen on this forum all year. I love it!

I'm assuming you are posting this to get reactions for your own amusement as otherwise you should probably seek some professional help.

I was being tongue in cheek, in case you didn't know - not being condescending but you seem to have to cross every T and dot every I on this forum at the moment

Another good result for us tonight, I’m beginning to feel like an honouree supporter of whoever they play

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It’s a poor carry on when I’m relying on other games going our way, rather than thinking we’ll get enough wins to make it, without the points deduction making a blind bit of difference.

The only time I’ll feel genuinely relieved is when they have four matches left & eight points behind, even then the points difference will still put a niggle of doubt in my head

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Can't stop people doing the maths

Bulls need to win half of their remaining games which is 5 from 10 and not gonna happen!

Alternatively they need to win 4 from 10 but will also have to overhaul a points defecit that's -238 worse than ours, also not gonna happen

Equally, both of the above rely on us not winning another game which, as bad as we are, ain't gonna happen

and tonight it was good to see the two side of Greg Eden, couple of early mistakes then two good tries

yep still like this lad and it seems not the only one, I would offer him our full back place

You have to give credit to any bulls fans still turning up. Some of their players were a disgrace tonight as regards effort. Others gave their all.

Well my 18 year old niece is one of those still turning up to watch them though her mum said blow it and watched it on sky.She still cant accept the fact by going into admin is the reason they had the points deduction - poor thing bless her.

Elliot Kear, Lee Gaskill the rest nar

A change of coach gives fans a boost and they look like they targeted this game as a game they could win.
It's just the same as Wake v London, more turned up due to the change in coach.
The only difference is that we got the win and Bradford didn't.
The knives are already out for Diskin and a few others over on their forum after that display.
And when some are still in denial about the points deduction, that makes them even worse.

Thought Robbie Paul might of taken the job. He's on telly waxing lyrically