Having read 44 pages of (mostly) informative and highly intellectual debate, and generally enjoyed reading most of it. can I just ask one question? Did the French prime minister spend 14 days in quarantine during his recent visit to these shores?

Total tests performed in Brazil as of today 2,409,830. This mean of those suspected they've still found 53% are testing negative. I can only go by the figures we are provided. Tests are by no means native to the UK after all aren't we just being guided by the WHO and information supplied from China. You also cannot expect every country in the world to be prepared with test kits for a noval virus. At the moment Brazil have performed less tests than us but by looking at the number of confirmed cases for the last 30 days they appear to be increasing tests performed day by day. Unfortunately I cannot find out Brazils current testing capacity compared to ours.

It's often said that politics is a horseshoe where the far left and far right are much closer to each other than most people realise. An interesting read... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ings-woke-

It's often said that politics is a horseshoe where the far left and far right are much closer to each other than most people realise. An interesting read... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ings-woke-

Bloody hell Vasty I’m agreeing more and more with you

Based on your analysis of looking at the reported rates can you give a comparison of excess deaths between the UK and the small South American country of Peru?

I’m my element now and to be fair it doesn’t take the wisdom of ages to dismantle the hypocritical stupidity of the current situation.

What scares me is that if I find it so easy then why are the press and the government finding it so difficult?

A government with a huge mandate! Yet they seem powerless to enforce the will of those who voted them in.

Even Redcat must be wondering why this government seems so scared to use the power it has. What exactly is Boris scared of, all very sinister.

And the Windies cricket team. Didn't quarantine either as far as I know

Again! What you say only stack up if you accept the figures given. Brazil is a semi corrupt nation, China is totally corrupt and the WHO is owned by China! Trump is a vile man but that doesn’t automatically make wrong and the above is a perfect example of what he calls ‘fake news’.

Seriously is it even remotely credible that France, Italy and the U.K. are all 30,000 + whilst Germany claims to be 20% of that, come on it’s just not credible.

However people seem happy not to question these ludicrous figures so long as they can use them to bash Boris! How does this help? This is not a party issue at the end of the day it represent to me just how week British society now is and that’s reflected in our politicians, all of them.

Our governments response has been poor in parts but not so poor as to make other nation figures stack up. We need to open our ears and not just listen to the bits that suit us.

The CIA believe China’s deaths figure is closer to a half a million than 3,000 that its propaganda arm the WHO accepts. We are nowhere near that yet you’d think we had a regime in power every bit as evil as China, utter nonesense.

The truth will out in the end and when the hysteria dies down the U.K. as is so often the case will come out cleaner than most. Lessons will need to be learned sure but perhaps the biggest one is the British people desire to self loathe and believe anything that supports that odd desire to stop,

Quote ="metallicat"And the Windies cricket team. Didn't quarantine either as far as I know'" Yes they did https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/202 ... uarantine/

Quote ="metallicat"And the Windies cricket team. Didn't quarantine either as far as I know'" Yes they did https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/202 ... uarantine/

No they havent.
Although hes a useless wind bag of a Prime Minister, last time I looked, Boris Johnson was still living at No 10 and "running" the country.

Oh dear


I'm sure that you remember all the talk about "flattening the peak" ?
Brazil is still on the way up in a vertical line and while you are quite correct in saying that per capita, at the moment, they are doing better then the UK, their numbers of new daily cases is quite staggering.

What happened to the conspiracy theory ??

Thank heavens it's only the useless windbag one can only speculate where we would be with other so called leaders in charge of I am honest there is hardly a leader among the lot of them Corbyn was is an activist Starmer couldn't make decision to save his life when in charge of CPS and nothing seems to change in respect of him too many agendas not enough cohesion politics are polar opposite at the moment and the gutter journalism doesn't help. Having watched numerous live reports and then seen the summary twist things I stick to Al Jazeera now at least it's down the middle!

What conspiracy, it’s just lies, dammed lies and Statistics. All statistics can be manipulated by clever people to show whatever that person wants to show. We all just have to use our own common sense to judge what’s true and what’s propaganda.

Why don't you check the excess mortality data if you distrust the reporting of COVID19?

I've done some of the groundwork for you (Percentage data captured for All Mortality 14 March - 8 May compared to the last 5 year average).

England & Wales 2020 increase on the previous 5 year average is 60%+ (131,467 / 82,000 )
Sweden 2020 increase on the previous 5 year average is 27%+ (17,925 / 14,079)
Germany 2020 increase on the previous 5 year average is 5%+ (151,661 / 143,906)

Our World In Data.org have even provided graphs for 24 participating countries: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany (Berlin), Germany (Hesse), Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK (England), UK (Northern Ireland), UK (Scotland), UK (Wales).

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"Even Redcat must be wondering why this government seems so scared to use the power it has. What exactly is Boris scared of, all very sinister.¬'"

The "conspiracy" was suggested by posters earlier in the thread, some scheme designed to keep the population of the world in its place and no such thing as the covid pandemic ??
As for common sense to judge propaganda, that's a little more difficult



I always remember the line form the track "pills and soap", "something in the daily rag to cancel any crisis" and there is little doubt that much of the news, now, more than ever before, is driven by an agenda from someone, somewhere.
It's quite staggering just how much can happen without the perpetrators not being called out.

Trump, for instance, would have been a laughing stock with some of the guff that he's come out with but, he has the majority of the US media running scared, almost like they would in a dictatorship.

It's a strange world that we live in, that's for sure.

And I thought you just worked at Empire Stores.....

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Strangley enough vasty you appear to have quite a knowledgeable head on you when broaching serious subjects that doesn't always show through on RL/Trinity topics. No offence intended, I've enjoyed reading your posts, but it it is quite a simple answer to your question; The thing that scares Boris the most is the fact that he hasn't a bloody clue what the heck he's dolng and what the job of PM entails and what it's all about. [u:49dday8eHe hasn't a clue when answering serious interviewers and repeats the same old rhetoric on every question. What he does say is what his "Law-breaking" ad[/u:49dday8evisor tells him to say any way. In a word vasty, the man's an idiot!!!



By the way, my alias is RedScat not Redcat and the name relates to the football club I support The cap happens to fit so I wear it. though

Strangely, Upan, I'm the only member of my family that has NEVER worked there



Up the Trin!!

I could probably cope with him if he had an ounce of sincerity and stopped telling so many bloody lies.
We were supposed to have a "world beating" teas and trace system in place at the beginning of June ??
His own ministers willingly admit that the app connected to this MAY be ready by the end of the year

- this was supposed to be THE main element in controlling the spread of the virus.

With the ecconomy in full reverse, he is now going to gamble everything on reducing social distancing to 1 metre (an announcement probably by this time on Tuesday) and yet, the very thing that was supposed to keep "his people" safe doesn't work.

Boris and his shamed advisor have blustered and lied through all of his tenure as PM (and before) and he simply isn't going to change.

"Listening to the science" will stop very soon and it will be politics that now governs our safety and wellbeing - good times eh ?

Ok to criticise after the event.We are a very small country compared to the rest of Europe large overpopulated city's, and the highest population,in Europe .Give the Government a break .I did not vote for them . Know we are in a better position with them in charge.What ever they do some person will not be happy.The problem with this country is the meda TV ,paper's ect Just dramatizing every thing ,and missing a word out to change the meeting of a sentence

I just don't see that everything is being gambled by reducing the social distance.Many countries worldwide have less than 2m,the WHO recommends minimum of 1m.Scientists are constantly changing their opinions.Its not just about distance from someone,but orientation and duration.
With regards the app,again opinions on this have cooled,in the main down to the expected take up,or lack of it.Scientific opinion suggests between 40% - 80% need to download the app for it to be effective in the fight against the pandemic.Countries that rolled out the app early have struggled to get the required amount of people to download.
Things that seemed imperative to develop a couple of month ago,it appears are now not as imperative,unfortunately that is the nature of this pandemic,its a moving feast.

You are totally missing the point. Statistic are only of any use if you trust them. I’m willing to accept the U.K. data with reservations as I am most EU nations and most truly democratic nations such as Australia. Then it becomes worthless.

It’s not just what you report but how. In the UK COVID goes down as the cause of death even when it wasn’t the primary killer. This is especially the case with elderly care home patients, hence our figure look higher.

Did Covid kill the vast majority of older patients? Yes in the sense that it speeded the process. However without wanting to sound crude most doctors will tell you that a new strain of flu would have had a similar effect.

Without wishing to sound cold the stats that matter are the under 50’s who have died and the obvious excess death in the ethnic communities. This is where our success or failure lays.

Truth is whatever has spooked the worlds leaders regarding this virus it isn’t it’s mortality rate which remains pitifully small, sorry but it does. There is something else about Covid that we don’t know about. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a fact, the response does not seem to match the cause.

Ten years ago Ebola nearly escaped Africa. This is a virus with a 90% mortality rate! Yet the world did not shut down, do the math on that one.

Summed up perfectly for me