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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"The pack are too old to be of interest to anyone. The backs aren't good enough. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same team turn out next year, all spouting wanting to stay to repay the fans. In reality, more likely to be due to the lack of alternatives.
The exception would be Glenn Stewart, who would be the kind of forward who would help guide a young pack.'"
Stewart has been disappointing beyond words considering his reputation - from what I have seen of you guys I'd stay well clear, you have better and he's on big bucks as I understand it
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| Quote ="vastman"Although I agree with others re Hampshire taking short of expectations so far but a basement player?! That also applies to a few others tbh.
I mention Hampshire purely because he is a HB which apparently is what we are after.'"
Hampshire not seen as a half back by Wane, Powell and Leigh, but I reckon he could be a very good utility back I.e wing and FB (half if desperate)
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"I think Leigh are staying full time so I'm not sure if many will want to leave at all.'"
Hampshire has already said he wants to leave and there new signing is going to Warrington
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| Surprised to see Westerman is going from Wire to Toronto.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Ben Reynolds looks as though he may be a good addition to the squad if at the right price and he can cover half back positions or full back. Think he's from Castleford originally.
I agree about the Leigh pack...can't see any player in there that would help improve the Trinity pack.'"
Think Reynolds has stated he is staying with Leigh.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Surprised to see Westerman is going from Wire to Toronto.'"
Money talks Wollo ![Thumbs up icon_thumb.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_thumb.gif)
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Surprised to see Westerman is going from Wire to Toronto.'"
I'm not he's never lived up to expectation and always looks like trouble to me - hence the exspultion from Warrington.
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| Quote ="ColD"Hampshire not seen as a half back by Wane, Powell and Leigh, but I reckon he could be a very good utility back I.e wing and FB (half if desperate)'"
Neither was Finn. It takes time and seeing as we are looking for cover the ability to play 1,6.7.9 looks very handy.
That said there are apparently issues and he won't be cheap so who knows.
Lastly Powell doesn't have a monopoly on wisdom nor does Wane. When you look at who Leigh did use in the halves you can't imagine Hampshire couldn't have done as well if not better. That said I get your point.
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| To answer the op, Leigh were only "mighty" in their own fans eyes and in the Championship.
Although the rules on the salary cap do help Championship clubs compete more than they have in the past, ANY club will struggle to genuinely compete in SL and to escape the "relegation league" (and finish in the top ![Cool icon_cool.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_cool.gif) is nigh on impossible but, we will see how KR manage next season.
Clubs will face a perpetual battle to avoid the MPG unless of course there is yet another a change in the league structure, which has been muted for 2019.
AS for their squad, I dont think there is anyone there that would improve Trinity, although Pelissier and Vea do a job and would look better players in our squad than they have done at Leigh.
Both have looked a real handful at times but, whether they would improve what we have is questionable.
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| Leigh were going quite well and winning lots of plaudits right up until half time in the game at Belle Vue. All down hill from then really.
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| Both sides are due respect for how they handled the game - and I thought the Leigh Chairman showed a lot of class; in stark contrast to his stupid mate from Salford, with his big cheque and clown act.
That said, there's a lot of sentimental guff being talked about the outcome of this game; Leigh had a better chance than most promoted clubs of retaining SL and kicking on - but over a season, they failed to do that. And the MPG was lost in large part due to their total lack of discipline, which seems to be in their DNA - so whilst I have some sympathy for any team that is relegated - they were relegated because over a season, they weren't good enough. That's sport, yes?
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| Clubs need to adopt a different mentality to the MPG. Leigh finished in the relegation spot, twelfth, in that there were 11 teams above them. I know Hull KR being above them is slightly artificial, but that is the reality. Rather than being viewed as a one-game do or die, it should be viewed as a second chance for the relegated club (12th) and the team below that (13th) to retain their spot. In reality, their Super League spot had already been lost.
Any guff about Widnes finishing bottom is exactly that, because the season has never been 23 rounds long in the entire history of the game. The season ended after 30 rounds.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Surprised to see Westerman is going from Wire to Toronto.'"
The official club statement about letting him go to "enhance player culture" tells you all you need to know.
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| I love the concept of the Super 8s, but i think people need to change how they view it to see it for the best.
After 23 rounds, 4 super league teams are demoted and 4 championship teams are promoted. Over the course of 7 games, 3 teams secure promotion to super league, the final promotion spot is decided by the game between 4th and 5th (4th place having home advantage).
Leigh were relegated after 23 rounds, and then had 2 opportunities to gain promotion for 2018
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"The official club statement about letting him go to "enhance player culture" tells you all you need to know.'"
Joe Westerman and Dave Taylor in the same squad. Good luck with that one!
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| Quote ="bren2k"Both sides are due respect for how they handled the game - and I thought the Leigh Chairman showed a lot of class; in stark contrast to his stupid mate from Salford, with his big cheque and clown act.
That said, there's a lot of sentimental guff being talked about the outcome of this game; Leigh had a better chance than most promoted clubs of retaining SL and kicking on - but over a season, they failed to do that. And the MPG was lost in large part due to their total lack of discipline, which seems to be in their DNA - so whilst I have some sympathy for any team that is relegated - they were relegated because over a season, they weren't good enough. That's sport, yes?[/quo
The real issue is not about the "sentimental guff", it's whether there should be an all or nothing game, which decides players future, every year.
The year that we played cas was a "one off" and it just happened to be that the two lowest placed club had to play each other in a decider and of course, with any system this could happen.
However, to deliberately set things up and have "everything" up for grabs, most notably players contracts, is wrong, regardless of whether the game makes compelling viewing (which there is little doubt that it does).
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| See Toronto are signing whoever they want however they can without any consequences.
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| Quote ="Willzay"See Toronto are signing whoever they want however they can without any consequences.'"
I think there's probably quite a gap between who they would want and who they are actually getting.
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| Don't understand all this regarding the MPG that players are put out of work blah blah(Particularly you, Mr Lowes). What's the difference between that and promotion and relegation? Surely the outcome is the same.
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Hampshire has already said he wants to leave and there new signing is going to Warrington'"
And we got big bucks for the pleasure of getting Goodwins signing first, over £100k for someone who has not even landed in the country yet is not bad business IMO- and the guy is far to good for champ rugby, although he was signing for wire irrespective of saturdays result - they needed to replace Hiku
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| Good bit of business! Good luck to him at warrington he's going to need it
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| Ok were relegated. Perhaps if some of the 50/50 decisions had gone our way we wouldn't be. I don't know. Your no try which was given being one of them. The decision to extend Actons ban and reduce Birds could be another factor. But mainly bad decision making, not passing when the pass would have been a try against Leeds. Bad team selection. But hey were down, we live with it
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| Quote ="Redscat"Don't understand all this regarding the MPG that players are put out of work blah blah(Particularly you, Mr Lowes). What's the difference between that and promotion and relegation? Surely the outcome is the same.'"
Exactly what I've been thinking mate. I think the first time I heard the phrase "million pound game" was when you sent us down so its nothing new just a different format.
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| Leigh may have had some keyboard warriors but also have some cracking supporters. I was routing for them to stay in SL.
Good luck to them next year in what looks to be a tough Championship.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Leigh may have had some keyboard warriors but also have some cracking supporters. I was routing for them to stay in SL.
Good luck to them next year in what looks to be a tough Championship.'"
Same here.
Leigh fans had a couple of Championship seasons where they were head and shoulders above the rest. They also had a great deal of success against SL opposition in Cup games ourselves most notably. Think it gave them a really false idea of there teams ability.
They came up way to cocky but you can see where it came from.
They also made the classic error of not sticking with the players who got them promoted. Sure you have to upgrade but not wholesale, Ridyard looks an especially glaring error!
Finally they had the bad luck to enter SL when a lot of teams started to get their acts together. Us, Salford and Cas in particular but Catalan were far from rubbish and when you consider Warrington were also a bottom club - nightmare really.
Bad luck for them, same for HKR unless ourselves or hopefully more likely Salford/Widnes/Catalan go into meltdown.
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