How many people have died and are still dying from the effect of fags and booze, these two problems alone, cost the NHS millions of pounds a year, legalise drugs, flood the streets with them, you may well overwhelm the NHS, more than the current pandemic. As for contraband booze and fags, much of this is contaminated and causes deaths, same would happen with drugs, plenty have already died from contaminated drugs. So, Alcohol and Tobacco are legal, but that doesn’t stop counterfeiting, same would apply to drugs.

You can legalise drugs as much as you can but it’s what the dregs do to obtain these. Robbing, mugging GBH, these so called people will never change trust me I see these sort every day.

I actually agree with what you say, the problem with people with extreme views have ideas which can be dangerous, but that’s no difference if there left wing or right wing views. Would you agree that the likes of Tommy Robinson and the BNP also hold views which are dangerous ?

Legalising drugs would be a disaster unless legalised world wide. Cocaine for instance how many murders and how much misery do you think it causes from growth to the streets of Europe and how much corruption does it drive?
Heroin from the regions of Afghanistan and beyond tell me what the cost has has been for our country both in military lives and the streets of thew UK driving crime etc.

Synthetic drugs made to look like legit pills and hook young kids fueling the criminal economy driving money laundering etc.

Legalisation for an end user its been covered on here just like fags and booze those that couldnt give a toss for human life would still expose it for profit putting people at risk. If the the people here doing drugs espewcially coke that thinks its OK then think wider at what you are driving double standards if you call it recreational just think what it has cost in human misery as you snort a line!

It would have to be legalised worldwide, fully regulated, controlled, taxed, and almost become an economy itself. It's pie in the sky stuff, really. But it might eradicate some of the issues we currently have with crime, murder, slavery, smuggling etc.

Can any of the conspiracists explain what is going on in Brazil.
There are an awful lot of people getting ill and rising numbers of deaths.
Have they just got the flu or is this a government led conspiracy to keep the people down.

Interesting that their leader, who denied the presence of the virus and massively underplayed its effects, is now presiding over a huge number of cases and deaths and they look certain to take an unwanted position at as the worst affected nation on the planet and we're still waiting for India and parts of Africa to "catch up".

Is it still just a con job ?

I’ve just seen that the film Mary Poppins is to be banned because the Chimney sweep chap ( Dick van Dyke) has soot on his face. He’s a chimney seep for gods sake, are all films and photographs of miners to be burned in the streets along with with all the books, Paul Robeson in the 1941 film “How green was my valley “ no one complained because he had a black face, and what about poor old Sooty and Sweep, Harry Corbett would have been strung up from the chimney by the BLM before now. And talking about our own BLM, if he came out of the mines now with coal dust on his face, the other BLM would be waiting for him with torches and Pitchforks.
The Leftist lot have gone totally

Wouldn’t see them near the pits DS, involves to much work. Yes I would like to take this moment to apologise for coming out of the mine with a darkened face due to coal dust over my 38 year mining career

Don’t forget, you have to take the knee now you’ve apologised. I know I won’t be kneeling for anyone, it’s always been regarded as a sign of submission, I’m submitting myself to no one.

Hi DS

In answer to this bit the rule is that you can't post or advocate or direct anyone else to do view it.

It sounds over the top but it's a copyright thing. Site rules rather than my personal view.

It’s never been allowed. I got it when YouTube was an edgy newcomer but I believe it’s part of google now??? I’m sure all copyright issues are well and truly sorted these days.

I realise it’s not down to you but it’s a foolish policy by this sites owners. Remember these are only links not actual uploads onto this site. By not allowing links this site is massively limiting its content hence the reason why so few bother with it anymore. Go compare Facebook and Twitter alternatives.

Shame because a moderated forum even one who’s moderation I rarely agree with is still the best way for fans to make their voices heard.

Have a word with your bosses, they need to move into the modern world if they want this site to survive.

Some of the club forums are dead, tragic imho as other fans desert to there own echo chambers believing there own unchallenged nonsense.

Thank you Pop Tart, I guess I have to follow the rules if I want to continue posting on here. All over the U.K. today, thousands of people this afternoon are ignoring rules intended to save lives by not gathering together. The Black Lives lot don’t give a toss to any rules. Time the Law sorted them out, or are they now beyond the law?

Actually I asked the question on the back of Vastman's point.

They take the point about Google having responsibility so will allow YouTube links providing the content is not offensive or violent in nature.
Unfortunately it will be down to me to decide what's offensive so Vastman may still be unhappy but that's a good move forward.

If you don’t mind me saying it looks like your obsessed with BLM but I would like you to answer my question to you earlier today

Sorry! This is a political debate and BLM is the hottest topic in the world at present so why can’t he!!

Typical woke type attitude, you don’t like the way a debate is heading so you try to smear with an inference and don’t pretend you weren’t because insulting our intelligence is another example of the dark art. I suggest you go away and learn the true meaning of free speech!

Better still read Orwell’s 1984, it’s all there.

Yes just seen that I do agree that is taking it too far. But don’t pretend the left are the only ones guilty of it.

-Actually, as far as I can see, it hasn’t been banned. Just deemed racist by a Professor in the US.

Neither do the Government. Where’s your criticism of them?

Typical Vastman/ Fishersmancap, as this is my first input on this subject so how can I don’t like the way the debate is heading, I wasn’t trying to smear any inference, if you had read my earlier post today I actually agreed with Dunkirk Spirit in is thinking. Free speech does not mean that you’re always right and everybody else is wrong and for your information I believe COVID-19 is the hottest topic in the world today as I think the BLM will disappear in time

I’ve been openly critical on this forum of the government,Boris various ministers. I’ve stated on this thread, that I started losing faith in the government, the day it was said, the 15,000 airport passengers a day, arriving in the U.K. would not be health checked, Quarantined, Passengers were allowed to travel country wide on all forms of transport, spreading the virus. The government excuse was, the virus is already wide spread, therefore it wouldn’t make any difference putting health checks in place now. I thought, what a stupid statement, it’s like throwing more Wood onto the fire, instead of water. I’m more annoyed also with Boris lack of authority in banning these protests and bringing all those who are causing violence and destruction to book. I will have the opportunity to vote for or against this lot at the next election, providing, the BLM haven’t by then overthrown the government, and imposed a Dictatorship.

BLM wont be imposing any dictatorship, despite what the Tory press may be trying to tell us.
Absolutely agree with the first part of your post though. The lack of any travel ban was as though they believed that the UK was going to escape any effects of the virus.
How very wrong they were.
The absolute nonsense about "if we lock down too early, people will get fed up and not stick to the rules" was, yet another false statement.
IF we'd locked down harder and sooner AND prevented air travel to and from overseas destinations, we would have been closer to getting through the other side and there would have been fewer casualties.
In this sense Boris is just as daft as Trump and Bolsonaro (the Brasillian leader).

If yoU say so but I’m struggling to read what you posted any other way to be honest. That said this is the state of paranoia that has been created of late and it will only get worse so get used to it.

Covid should be the only issue at the moment but it has been hijacked by BLM activists during the current sanity vacuum created by it.

The Vastman/FC comment makes me laugh. Why would it matter even if we were the same person? I invoke the Floyd precedent, ie the fact that although he had a seriously nasty history and was a seriously unpleasant person it didn’t excuse the cop who murdered him. Hence my alleged double identity is utterly irrelevant as it always is. Ask FC I’m sure he’d back me up

Get real the BLM and there left wing allies already have, your just too blind to see. As for the so called Tory press are you serious, they seem to be more on there knees than most, even the Mail seems to be grovelling at the feet of these political vandals. See Piers Morgan he’s so far up them he’s almost out the other end. It’s pathetic.

To put things into context for you regarding the recent MSMs obsession with Brazil

UK Population - 67,875,356
Total UK COVID cases - 303,110
Total UK COVID Deaths - 42,589
Deaths per 1M population - 627


Brazil Population - 212,512,836
Total Brazil COVID cases - 1,043,168
Total Brazil COVID Deaths - 49,156
Deaths per 1M population - 231

Brazil are doing way better than us, that's three times better, based on the adjusted population figures. The BBC should concentrate on our country's own problems, stop sucking up to the UK government and stop with political point scoring overseas.

And you seriously believe that Brazil has the same reporting capability as we do. Some of the reporting from some countries are utterly ludicrous. Notably those of Germany and Russia. Belgium and Germany share an open border yet Belgium has a four fold higher total, what Covid has a passport.

Whatever the failings of the UK Gov I certainly believe our figure are far more realistic than many.