But he's posted it 50 times and implies everything that Carter has left us in the poo by doing so.
So he's right on the debt, wrong on the consequence.

Who lauded them as being successful?

Actually, now that I think about it, he's wrong on the debt as well because the directors didn't call in their loans. So the debt is now £4 million because Carter has effectively just gifted the club £1 million pounds.

That is why we are not in the same boat as Salford. Directors who could manage the finances and then hand over the reigns with nothing in return.
That deserves praise not hate if you ask me.

Agree they do deserve praise, To take a club over that was folding, with a crap ground and leave the club ,with a ground worth 10 million pound plus.Here is a Question for the people who hate M C and J M ,PopTarts words not mine.Why as a multi million pound business man bought the club if it is as bad as some fans ? make out

Okay...

The reason I disappeared from this forum about five months ago was not because of a spat with Poptart, or anyone else as such.

It was because I'd gotten quite close to the then management at the club, and I got to know a lot of things I probably shouldn't have, I can be quite charming at times.

Problem is that I'm a decent man, and although I knew Mopsey and a few others were talking utter vindictive nonsense, I was not in a position to argue with them without betraying certain confidences, I'm still not on certain issues.

If people want to listen to self serving individuals like them, then that's fine, just so long as they know that these people are choosing to manipulate what little info they have to push forward they're own self seeking agenda.

You could accuse me of doing the same, and maybe on occasions I have, but what I can say without much doubt is that over the last 18 months my line to the club has been more direct than most, almost daily at times.

So, using what I know, and what I can say, then this is what I know to be true. MC and JM have saved this club, end of story, and they deserve a medal, and Matt Ellis for one will tell you exactly the same. He certainly will never tell you that they left it in the poop, if the gob brigade want to argue then go ahead, what can you do with some folk.

Poptart and a few others have actually got it more or less spot on, as should every other right minded fan. The club did have a large debt, but it was manageable, because it had increased it balance sheet assets to over 10 million pounds, it's that simple. That is the reason Ellis went for it in the end, and that took years of blood and sweat to achieve. This is also why the takeover took so long, it wasn't just Ellis dotting the i's, so were the BOD, wanting as they were to protect what had already been achieved.

MC provided the stability, but JM procured the assets that made the takeover happen, notably the East stand. Without that being delivered debt free, and it is, then Ellis would not have invested. He's in it for the love of the club, but at the same time he was never going to throw money away. Without the increased revenue and IMG points from the stand and pitch etc coming on line very shortly, that's exactly what he'd have been doing, wasting money. HE WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT, and we'd be doomed to life in the lower leagues with MC, or someone similar, trying to make ends meet, and probably failing in the long term.

All I can say to those with a grudge, just think about it minus the blinkers. MC and JM have given Ellis a chance to succeed, not a guarantee, but a possibility. One that simply didn't exist four years ago.

Be gracious and accepts they got it right and then move on with Matt Ellis.

One final point. Although totally a fringe person with zero clout I have found the last few month utterly draining, and I've done virtually nothing. I never intend to get involved again, not at any level other than being a fan, it's hard and thankless work imo. My hat goes off to all the people who have attempted to run or help this club, with the obvious exception of Pearman. Most have failed, some miserably, but knowing what I know now, it was almost inevitable. So my biggest praise has to go to John Minards, his extracting that 8 million from YC and 2 million from the Council was and will remain the biggest single turning point in this clubs history. Without it, we would be nothing now.

I wasn't.....


I was [imerely[/i pointing out that even with the "debt" we are still "in front" asset wise...
Maybe think about how you read a post and evaluate it next time........


And fingers crossed that you - like the rest of us - see us back in SL ASAP.....

Sorry ,Was not having a go at you ,pressed the wrong quote .You did right to come back and Questions me , Hope this clears things up

Group hug guys



The thing we do all agree, including Mopsey is that we are in a dream situation for a Wakefield fan, even those that remember the 60s.
We have earned this by turning up when getting beaten 70-0 and still coming the week after, year after year.

I'm really excited for what Ellis and Powell can do for the club.
Clearly we all, even I, who is openly all about the IMG stuff, want to just see the team winning and competing with the big guns. I don't think those days are too far away.
I can't wait for that first game.

Well we’ve had the group hug, let’s get back to the on the Mire topic. Having taken time to read and ponder the Salford statement, it appears to me they have very clever by design and orchestrating and choosing the right moment for this announcement.
Salford Council, like every other council in England, are cash strapped, but are knee deep in the Salford Mire themselves. The RFL/Super League, are about to announce the 2024 season fixture list, and the Salford public have already raised tens of thousands £. It seems to me that everyone has been backed into the corner by the Salford club into ensuring the club survives. Salford council is Damed by the tax payers if it provides precious funds for the club st the expense of more worthy tax payers projects, the RFL/Super League, can’t afford to replace Salford with another club at this late stage, therefore, a compromise will follow to provide funding for the club. Remember the behind closed doors secret deal between RFL and the Bulls over the Odsal lease, I think that has worked out a loss of £350,000 of RFL club members money.
I have said elsewhere, Salford have been living beyond their means for years, I now think no more throwing good money after bad.

That is the main problem, we want the first game now, As said we got relegated, yet I am so happy to be a Wakefield fan. The ground is going to look so different with people in the East Stand

A skeleton was created by the previous BOD. Ellis now has chance to put meat on the bone. Without the previous BOD, he wouldn't. He's rich and he's shrewd, but he's not devine, he cannot raise the dead, he needed a start, and he still needs all the help he can get.

After the collapse of NM we were basically on life support, that ten million has got us into the recovery ward, that is the legacy of the previous board. Matt's legacy might be far more exciting, or at least we all hope so, but they all count. Nothing worthwhile is ever created solely by one person.

Why people can't give those people who came before some credit and respect baffles me. Even if they had actually been inept I can't see the point, but in this case they weren't.

Next time I see John or Michael or any of the rest of them, I'll give them a handshake, but they can buy the beers.



I don't really care if I ever meet Matt Ellis, all I know is that I believe he has a very good chance of being the man who finally brings this great club back to full health. My purchase of a season ticket will be my pledge of support. The expression 'the king is dead, long live the king' has been used for a thousand years when a new monarch is crowned, and for good reason, it works. Let the past be the past, and use all your energies to create a better future is what it means, and I think we should all buy into that sentiment.

Onwards we go......

It will be interesting, and a real show of intent. I think nothing has frustrated Wakefield fans over the years more than the inability of our teams to match expectations, and win those special games that get the club noticed. Winning million pound games is great, but in truth they are games between failed teams, where survival and not glory is the only reward. A Trinity team that goes out there to win for the joy of winning, and doing so because they want to be the best - most of us can't even remember that - we've had glimpses, but that's all.

If all goes as we hope, this new era should be fantastic fun.

In think that despite the fact that we have been relegated I'm feeling far more happy than I have for the last four seasons. Most of us, I'm sure, believe that we are on the threshold of a brand new era for Trinity and cannot wait for the new year. Oh! and by the way, nice to see vasty back in action like him or loathe him.

Really feel for the fans on this one, and so glad we're not in the same predicament.

Someone on the RWB Army page wree saying there is a possibility that they could lose their super league place, and be replaced by a championship club. If it were to happen and it to be us, although our squad is starting to come together, not sure how competetive it would be just now.

Also, if we were to continue working on the stadium, it might be to our benefit in doing so, if our crowds were a little lower, than what they would be for super league games.

Personally, I'd be looking if we could take any of their players, if they were to fit us, to reduce their salary cap spend

Got to agree, it is good to see vasty back.Had words with him my self but like most of us ,he loves the club

You’re in the hardest league to get out of. Good luck even with your IMG presents.

I don’t think there’s a single post on here, even from the most optimistic Trinity fan to indicate getting out of the championship will be easy and a foregone conclusion.
As for our IMG ‘Presents’ they came as a result of hard work by the club management of the time and not as a gift.

What a breath of fresh air..

It certainly won't be easy, and there will be clubs who will wany to take a swipe at us, such as Fev, Bradford and Toulouse. I am, however confident.

I think the phrase Shaun Wallace uses in the Chase comes to mind, you know me, I dont take anything for granted.

Nobody doubts that. But I think even you would concede that as everyday passes we are looking stronger.

All any Championship team fan can ask for is that there team is one of those with a realistic chance of promotion. I think we would probably have been in that list even without Ellis, like a number of teams. Now we've nosed our way up the list, but for now it's all speculation. After all nobody thought London would do it, or that Fev would fail so badly, so that's proof positive that money doesn't always get results.

Mercenary though it sounds, I'd happily take Salfords place, sounds far easier.

Remember there is no 'promotion' in the context you describe.
Winning gets you points that helps get you in the 12, but doesn't get you promotion.

Just a thought: I wonder if that's why Brodie Croft signed a ten-year deal. Is there a nod and wink that if he wants to go they'll let him, or if the club needs the money he'll agree to go, but whichever way, Salford get a decent transfer fee?

Great we got supporters from ,other clubs looking at us in envy .As said pity they do not understand the hard work to get us there

It's like the Super League Grand Final. It's hard to win, but it's only ever one of three clubs that do, with a couple of try-hards almost getting there.

Agreed