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| Quote ="Dreadnaught"The issue with taking the council to court is 1.) its expensive and I doubt WTWRLFC have the funds to do it, and 2.) if we do do it, the cost of fighting the case will also be expensive for WMDC and will need to divert funds from elsewhere to fund the fight, once the other 98% of the WMDC population who don't give a flying rats backside about Wakefield Trinity see that their services are being cut to fund a fight over a stadia for a sports team, any public sympathy is likely to disappear petty quickly.'"
More worrying is the likelihood that Mr Box would spend anything/everything to win "at all costs".
People in that type of position aren't bothered about the public purse, only in their own agenda and of course, staying in power.
Do you really think that any political leader would put other people before themselves ??
Many set off with good intentions but, they rarely last.
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| Quote ="Dreadnaught"The issue with taking the council to court is 1.) its expensive and I doubt WTWRLFC have the funds to do it, and 2.) if we do do it, the cost of fighting the case will also be expensive for WMDC and will need to divert funds from elsewhere to fund the fight, once the other 98% of the WMDC population who don't give a flying rats backside about Wakefield Trinity see that their services are being cut to fund a fight over a stadia for a sports team, any public sympathy is likely to disappear petty quickly.'"
Just to put a few things straight.
If there is to be any legal action then that action will not be brought by Wakefield Trinity it would be brought by the agrieved party which is the Wakefield & District Stadium Trust , Remember this is not a private stadium, it is a Community Stadium for the people of Wakefield which was supported by 15,000 people who signed the petition of support. Wakefield Trinity will merely be a tenant and lease the stadium from the Stadium Trust as can other sporting bodies in Wakefield.
The Planning Inspector recommended to the Secretary of State that over 200 acres of land be taken out of Green Belt on strict condition that the developer provide the people of Wakefield a Community Stadium as he believed there were "special circumstances" that warranted it.
This is not about Wakefield Trinity although some like to make it that way, its about the citizens of Wakefield being promised a Community Stadium by a Developer with a small contribution from the Council and at present getting nothing. Its about fairness and bodies delivering what they promised in return for substantial financial gains which they have received.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Just to put a few things straight.
If there is to be any legal action then that action will not be brought by Wakefield Trinity it would be brought by the agrieved party which is the Wakefield & District Stadium Trust , Remember this is not a private stadium, it is a Community Stadium for the people of Wakefield which was supported by 15,000 people who signed the petition of support. Wakefield Trinity will merely be a tenant and lease the stadium from the Stadium Trust as can other sporting bodies in Wakefield.
The Planning Inspector recommended to the Secretary of State that over 200 acres of land be taken out of Green Belt on strict condition that the developer provide the people of Wakefield a Community Stadium as he believed there were "special circumstances" that warranted it.
This is not about Wakefield Trinity although some like to make it that way, its about the citizens of Wakefield being promised a Community Stadium by a Developer with a small contribution from the Council and at present getting nothing. Its about fairness and bodies delivering what they promised in return for substantial financial gains which they have received.'"
In that case then Sandal Cat, could the SoSs office take the lead on the action and therefore fund it from central Gov't whilst at the same time adding huge weight to the seriousness of the case
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| Quote ="The Avenger"In that case then Sandal Cat, could the SoSs office take the lead on the action and therefore fund it from central Gov't whilst at the same time adding huge weight to the seriousness of the case'"
Don't know, I'm not a lawyer but I know a man who is. I think the SoS will be a bit brassed off if he granted planning consent on condition that the people of Wakefield received a Community Stadium and they get squat.
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| What I would like to know is, why aren't the people who have been voted in to represent the Community of Wakefield, I.e our MP's taking this up and questioning when these Community Facilities are going to be delivered.
If the Local Authority aren't in charge of local planning issues then who is?
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Don't know, I'm not a lawyer but I know a man who is. I think the SoS will be a bit brassed off if he granted planning consent on condition that the people of Wakefield received a Community Stadium and they get squat.'"
Surely the only bit to argue at the minute would be whether the great white montrosity should be part of the UU. But even if it was the trigger point for the stadium build wouldn't have been hit so they technically haven't done anything legally wrong with that bit. I forget the exact figures but isn't the newcold build 30-odd thousand square meters? So even if we won a case all it would ensure would be that there would be another 20-odd thousand built rather than 59999. Lets be honest they are never going to break that total figure whatever the outcome. Legal action might give a few people a bloody nose but it won't result in a community stadium up there, so is it worth the risk and expense?
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Don't know, I'm not a lawyer but I know a man who is. I think the SoS will be a bit brassed off if he granted planning consent on condition that the people of Wakefield received a Community Stadium and they get squat.'"
It's a question I've asked before and I don't think an answer has ever been given, but is there any way the 15,000 signatories of that petition can somehow exert some influence to get the SoS office on the case.
Has anyone contacted the SoS to highlight the issue or are they blissfully unaware that terms imposed by them have been bypassed by WMDC?
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Don't know, I'm not a lawyer but I know a man who is. I think the SoS will be a bit brassed off if he granted planning consent on condition that the people of Wakefield received a Community Stadium and they get squat.'"
Thank you for that Sandal.
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| Quote ="Fordy"It's a question I've asked before and I don't think an answer has ever been given, but is there any way the 15,000 signatories of that petition can somehow exert some influence to get the SoS office on the case.
Has anyone contacted the SoS to highlight the issue or are they blissfully unaware that terms imposed by them have been bypassed by WMDC?'"
Everything is on the table. We are taking professional advice as to the options available.
The parties involved are in denial - denial that there is an obligation to us, denial that it is a Community that has been failed, denial that the position the club is in is critical. It's all getting very interesting, but there are no certainties!
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| Quote ="Dreadnaught"The issue with taking the council to court is 1.) its expensive and I doubt WTWRLFC have the funds to do it, and 2.) if we do do it, the cost of fighting the case will also be expensive for WMDC and will need to divert funds from elsewhere to fund the fight,=#FF0000 once the other 98% of the WMDC population who don't give a flying rats backside about Wakefield Trinity see that their services are being cut to fund a fight over a stadia for a sports team, any public sympathy is likely to disappear petty quickly.'"
I hope Box isn't reading this because you are giving him some great ammunition.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"I hope Box isn't reading this because you are giving him some great ammunition.'"
The inbred rat needs some ammunition
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Just to put a few things straight.
If there is to be any legal action then that action will not be brought by Wakefield Trinity it would be brought by the agrieved party which is the Wakefield & District Stadium Trust , Remember this is not a private stadium, it is a Community Stadium for the people of Wakefield which was supported by 15,000 people who signed the petition of support. Wakefield Trinity will merely be a tenant and lease the stadium from the Stadium Trust as can other sporting bodies in Wakefield.
The Planning Inspector recommended to the Secretary of State that over 200 acres of land be taken out of Green Belt on strict condition that the developer provide the people of Wakefield a Community Stadium as he believed there were "special circumstances" that warranted it.
This is not about Wakefield Trinity although some like to make it that way, its about the citizens of Wakefield being promised a Community Stadium by a Developer with a small contribution from the Council and at present getting nothing. Its about fairness and bodies delivering what they promised in return for substantial financial gains which they have received.'"
Exactly this is a community stadium not a private stadium but the council always refer to it as the wildcats stadium when asked about progess in the press, no mention of community stadium.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"The inbred rat needs some ammunition'"
From around neck upwards
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| Quote ="TRB"Everything is on the table. We are taking professional advice as to the options available.
The parties involved are in denial - denial that there is an obligation to us, denial that it is a Community that has been failed, denial that the position the club is in is critical. It's all getting very interesting, but there are no certainties!'"
Why is professional advice required to write a letter to the SoS advising that a tinpot local council leader and a bent developer have conspired to willfully and deliberately ignore the ruling of HM Inspector?
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| We hear of Peter Box's arrogance, a couple of questions.
Is Box sitting back twiddling his fingers because.
A. He's very very confident in the legal position he finds himself and the council in and doesn't feel threatened?
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B. He thinks that we're not in a position to financially/legally confront the council or Yorkcourt?
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| Quote ="JINJER"We hear of Peter Box's arrogance, a couple of questions.
Is Box sitting back twiddling his fingers because.
A. He's very very confident in the legal position he finds himself and the council in and doesn't feel threatened?
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B. He thinks that we're not in a position to financially/legally confront the council or Yorkcourt?'"
In my opinion it's B.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Quote ="JINJER"We hear of Peter Box's arrogance, a couple of questions.
Is Box sitting back twiddling his fingers because.
A. He's very very confident in the legal position he finds himself and the council in and doesn't feel threatened?
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B. He thinks that we're not in a position to financially/legally confront the council or Yorkcourt?'"
In my opinion it's B.'"
I think B too... If box was confident he had nowt to worry about, he wouldn't even be talking to the trust..
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| I'd guess it's the old "as long as a piece of string" gag, but I wonder what sort of ball park figure it would take to get them in the dock and put them under pressure, so to speak.
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| arrrg, my brain hurts with this one, so when do we start building at Durkar, J39?
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| The fact that they are round the table though, suggests that they have something to answer for!
And are looking for a way round it by offering the trust a minimal fee to forget it ever happened.
It might be that the threat of a trip to the court house has brought them to the table.
if I was the SoS sat in my office and someone plonked a file on my desk suggesting that alls not rosy in the garden and there are some jokers making me look stupid, I think I'd have something to say about it!
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| Don't think Pickles is Sec of State any more .
Would new guy/gal be as peeved?
But then there must be some sort of system of accountability as if not why have system of referral to Sec is State in first place?
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| Quote ="thebeagle"Don't think Pickles is Sec of State any more .
Would new guy/gal be as peeved?
But then there must be some sort of system of accountability as if not why have system of referral to Sec is State in first place?'"
Probably not mate... But I doubt the rules change just because one man leaves his position... Plus, it's a Tory run show at the moment, so you would think they would be happy to put the boot in if they could!
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| Quote ="bren2k"Why is professional advice required to write a letter to the SoS advising that a tinpot local council leader and a bent developer have conspired to willfully and deliberately ignore the ruling of HM Inspector?'"
We could all write a letter, but one from a pro is more likely to get noticed!
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| I think another book by Slugger is about due.The intrepid reporter Jack Garrett investigates the murky dealings of a fictional local council led by an arrogant Svengali called Paul Crate ! Another best seller with all proceeds going to the Supporters Trust.
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| Quote ="MC_Wildcat"I think another book by Slugger is about due.The intrepid reporter Jack Garrett investigates the murky dealings of a fictional local council led by an arrogant Svengali called Paul Crate ! Another best seller with all proceeds going to the Supporters Trust.'"
Like it.
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