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| According to MC on twitter a player is playing with medial famage in knee cracked ribs and neck injury today not good
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| Quote ="ball-in-hand"With reference to the 2005 surprise win a Leeds mentioned earlier in the thread. We simply don't have a Never Say Die type player like Jason Demitriou to set an example to the rest of the team. As much as a like and respect Kirmond he doesn't have that type of influence on the team'"
Time plays tricks on the mind. If JD had a never say die attitude then why did Hudds smash us into the ground at home 3 days earlier. JD was a fine player but was not a great one for the very reason you are praising him - IMHO his head went down far to often. As for the Leeds game it was March who led the line not JD. We were lucky that day even if we did make our own luck to a certain degree.
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| Quote ="leedscat"According to MC on twitter a player is playing with medial famage in knee cracked ribs and neck injury today not good'"
It's not only not good it's irresponsible what about player welfare?
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| Quote ="leedscat"According to MC on twitter a player is playing with medial famage in knee cracked ribs and neck injury today not good'"
Players to drop out of the 19 man squad are Crowther and Trout so why are we playing someone who is carrying the above injuries when one of these lads could play?
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Players to drop out of the 19 man squad are Crowther and Trout so why are we playing someone who is carrying the above injuries when one of these lads could play?'"
Because the 'we are playing busted players' line is a nice cover up of our many short comings. For me a fully fit Tout and Crowther offer just as much if not more than a Scruton and Kirmond playing on one leg. Surely it would have been the perfect chamce to give these guys a chance for a rest and not risk there injuries getting any worse.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"Because the 'we are playing busted players' line is a nice cover up of our many short comings. For me a fully fit Tout and Crowther offer just as much if not more than a Scruton and Kirmond playing on one leg. Surely it would have been the perfect chamce to give these guys a chance for a rest and not risk there injuries getting any worse.'"
The tweet wasn't really about having busted players. It was about people questioning effort when in fact the players are putting their bodies on the line when busted. I read it as a dig at the moaners. Fair enough to stand up for your staff, I guess, although it was done by having a dig at the customers.
There are a number of possible reasons why it is like it is:
1. Lack of effort? Down to the coaches and players.
2. Poor gameplan? Down to the coach.
3. Poor confidence? Down to the coach.
4. Lack of fitness? Down to the conditioner, coach and players.
5. Lack of quality? Down to finances.
6. Just a bad run? We'll see, I guess.
As fans, we've never expected world beaters. We don't even expect to win most weeks and don't expect silverware. A few scalps, beat Cas and maybe Leeds, and a good cup run tends to be our lot. What we do expect, given our lack of any realistic aspiration for silverware, is effort. For all Glover's faults, he knew how to sell optimism, which generates attendances, which can generate performances. Now, although we rightly opt for realism, we ooze negativity from the top as well.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt" For all Glover's faults, he knew how to sell optimism, which generates attendances, which can generate performances. Now, although we rightly opt for realism, we ooze negativity from the top as well.'"
I was just thinking the exact same myself the other night.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"The tweet wasn't really about having busted players. It was about people questioning effort when in fact the players are putting their bodies on the line when busted. I read it as a dig at the moaners. Fair enough to stand up for your staff, I guess, although it was done by having a dig at the customers.
There are a number of possible reasons why it is like it is:
1. Lack of effort? Down to the coaches and players.
2. Poor gameplan? Down to the coach.
3. Poor confidence? Down to the coach.
4. Lack of fitness? Down to the conditioner, coach and players.
5. Lack of quality? Down to finances.
6. Just a bad run? We'll see, I guess.
As fans, we've never expected world beaters. We don't even expect to win most weeks and don't expect silverware. A few scalps, beat Cas and maybe Leeds, and a good cup run tends to be our lot. What we do expect, given our lack of any realistic aspiration for silverware, is effort. For all Glover's faults, he knew how to sell optimism, which generates attendances, which can generate performances. Now, although we rightly opt for realism, we ooze negativity from the top as well.'"
Great post Slugger.
There isn't much of a selling job done these days, we have to be grateful that we exist
There's nothing wrong with being poor but, pride costs nothing and we don't seem to have too much of it at present.
John Harbin once commented on an injury situation, something along the lines that "there will be 17 players out there that want to play for Wakefield Trinity"
and that is all we want.
On Thursday (apart form the first 10 minutes) we looked as though there was no belief and that we expected to get beaten.
We need some of the senior players to take charge on the pitch.
If the game isn't going to plan, they are the ones who can instil belief and they need to set an example.
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| Currently 12-12 after 25 minutes so they are doing pretty well so far.
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| They are not reading the script are they.
Properly out gunned but making good work of it.
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| .. and then Leeds go in for a try. But at least its still close.
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| 30-16. Conceded on the hooter. Sounds like we're way too weak down the middle.
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| 30-16 HT
Very high scoring game and at least we are at HT and still in the game!
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| I can't see Wakefield winning but they are giving it a go and that's all you can ask.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I can't see Wakefield winning but they are giving it a go and that's all you can ask.'"
It sounds like they're making an effort and giving it a go which is nice. What's not nice is that it sounds like Leeds aren't out of second gear and they've still put 30 points on the board in half a game.
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| 'Ah it is Leeds were playing and we have players out so it's alright to concede 30 points in 40 minutes' such a completely wrong attitude we've had for months now and I'm sick of it. The players should be furious with their defensive efforts not standing around licking their wounds. No doubt we will concede again within the first minute of the second half. They don't need an arm around the shoulder they need a rocket up the arris.
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| Quote ="Willzay"'Ah it is Leeds were playing and we have players out so it's alright to concede 30 points in 40 minutes' such a completely wrong attitude we've had for months now and I'm sick of it. The players should be furious with their defensive efforts not standing around licking their wounds. No doubt we will concede again within the first minute of the second half. They don't need an arm around the shoulder they need a rocket up the arris.'"
It's still a big improvement on Thursday, against far better opposition, it's all about improving (which we haven't done for 6 weeks).
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| Agree, 46 points in a half is a joke game. When the hell is our coach going to start coaching defence. For me defence is the most important part of the game. Defence defence defence.
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| Webster needs to go. Not once in any of his post match comments has he apologised to the fans, only offered pitiful excuses. "So and so is out for a couple of weeks." We'll grow a pair, get on with it, and stop being ready to use as an excuse. Carter's the same, only he criticises the fans who are unhappy with the same old rubbish being churned out every week.
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| Our usual 8 tries conceded now, and still a bit to go. It's turning out as expected after all. 48 - 16
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| Need to take a leaf out of Powells coaching manual on how to tackle and defend....impressive against Warrington.
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| Yep, Cas starting to climb, Warrington in freefall, I wonder why?
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| I must admit the score line is better than I thought it would be. At least they looked like they put a better display than last Thursday.
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