Any team who doesn't win the game with a 10-2 penalty count in their favour needs to seriously look at themselves.

Any team having to employ dirty tactics to earn such a penatly count need to seriously look at Themselves.

Yes but sometimes its the timing of the penalties that can be crucial. The offside Leeds got with less than 5 minutes left after knocking on, was definitely a "gamebreaker" had that not been given we would have had the ball and probably seen the game out.

Also thought that Leeds should have had someone else binned after webb, when they were penalised 4 times in the space of a minute

Jamie Jones Buchanon lost his rag completely at one stage. Wakey were unlucky that he wasn't given 10 to cool off.

It's easy to say the 2 points lost us the game after the fact. Broughy made a decision. Could have been a try anyway, they had a man off, and it ate up 4 minutes of time before they got the ball back.
How was he to know Atkins was going to wave Senior through for a try.

Surely Broughy (or possibly Drew?) has to take the blame for (apparently) ignoring his coach? If we had scored he would have been jack the lad, but we didn't so he needs to shoulder the blame in my opinion.

But take a look at the penalties. Obviously the dissent is a bad issue and I agree that needs to be stamped out. But there were some harsh calls today. The 'trip' allowing Wakey to tag on two points and the high shot that Senior got called for by the touch judge spring to mind.



That also works both ways. I said above there was a trip that we got penalised for (And i'm hoping common sense prevails and you will agree that it was a bit harsh) where Webb had got posession and was away. That would have seen us 22-16 up and a different ball game. As it was you were able to push yourselves back in front and gain the momentum.

Hard to say on the sin-bin issue, as personally I felt two of the times Leeds were harshly done to again.

It, of course, does work both ways though.

There were crucial plays after the decision not to take the two that arguably cost us the game. Atkins non attempt to tackle Senior for the Burrow try being one of them

Clearly round the chin, in my opinion this one.

That's fair enough. In my opinion I think it was a 50/50, but there were plenty more of the same kind of challenges from both sides that weren't penalised.

Like the Lauatiti one for example



Think we got away with one bad one though, was it Latu? Can't remember, will watch it again.

Absolutely agree!! If it comes off he'd accept the praise..if it doesn't, then he should accept the blame. It's part and parcel of taking the risk!

If he's not up to taking responsibility for these outcomes, then he should have stook to JK's orders and taken the 2 pts.

Like I said both sides got away with a few. I remember Burrow getting what looked like a bad one. Will have to have a watch back and see whether I was just hoping for anything in my desperation for us to get back into the game

Funny how every time we pagger Cas, such has become tradition over the last few years, a load of them trot out the old "we dont care about Wakey, Leeds is the real Derby and the one we are really bothered about" line.... Until Leeds scrape past us, then there's posts like these laughing at us.

I thought it was the correct call at the time.

Leeds had obviously upped the intensity and we were looking vulnerable (even though we had the extra man) From the point of Brough refusing the two, we then had a good 4/5 minutes possession and territory which would have been the game clincher IMO if we had managed to hang on.

We could have easily kicked the two, then surrendered possession straight away to put Leeds in a good position, then the way things were they could easily have scored three tries in that 5 minutes that we had been camped deep in their half.

He didn't ignore his coach, he made a decision.
Kear is 100 yards behind him. He didn't ignore him.

As far as I am concerned Brough proved tonight that he is better when he is in charge. We need to find, or develop a line breaking running stand off, not an organiser. Let Brough be in charge. It worked better tonight when he directed play.

The kick still wouldn't have won us the game anyway. They scored 6 ytries to our 4, so Brough was what was keeping us in it for God's sake.

I know we like to find a scape goat but it isn't him.

To be honest all the players that have recently taken criticism proved a point tonight.
Grix did well on his wing
Korki was awesome
Petersen worked very hard (though a couple of mistakes were irritating)
and Obst was the best tackler we had. Outstanding. Wish he'd been stood where Atkins was when Senior came running. He took him everytime he ran at him on the wing.

Right, off to bed know. Going out with some Leeds fans tomorrow so need my strength

lost us the game without a doubt

2 weeks ago we won in the last minute because we took the 2 at a point when it seemed pointless this week we lose in the minute cos we did not.

simples yes

Regardless of who was wrong or right regarding going for goal, should Brough (or Drew) take orders from the Coach or do their own thing?

You dont think we have a system for getting the coaches instruction to the players? It wasn't as if the tap was taken instantly, seem to recall there being a decent period of time - so I dont agree that they didnt receive instruction.

Scapegoat again - we should have a link to the dictionary at the top of the site for people to look this word up.

coaches get sacked based on results and performance , with this in mind the player should show respect and do as requested

Bang on.

Atkins defense was pathetic most of the night.In fact the defense down Atkins side was pathetic.

If Atkins has real ambitions of representing his nation against Australia,he needs to work on his defense,it was men against boys everytime Senior ran at him.

I think we were right to keep hold of the ball when 8 points up... I dont see what 2 pts would have done in that instance (its all right saying in hinesight) ... Brough had a good game - shame that couldnt be said for others !!

Three sets of six,no points,one penalty kick within kicking distance,2 points,do the maths,if we'd have taken 2 and got the ball back we'd have been home and hosed,dumb rugby lost us the game!!!!

Shocking defence cost us the game ... Its all ifs and buts but had we taken the 2 then Leeds might have kicked off and got the ball back scoring 6 pts (just like Hull did)... We needed to respect the ball - some players didnt respect the opposition (or wanted there autograph during play !!) ...

Shocking defence??I thought that for 70 minutes that was our best defensive display of the season,you must have seen some real quality games that i've missed this season if you thought that was shocking,i'd say 5 minutes of stupidity cost us the game,not taking 2 when we had 3 penalties cost us the game.