When you say "accept mediocrity". Do you mean, support the club even when it's going through a hard time instead of belittling everyone and criticising everything with no suggested solution?

Complaining about Carter having a dig at 'some' negative fans seems like Robertson complaining about the linesman elbowing him.

If you feel like you can throw the negative comments at Carter, why be so upset when he throws something back?

I'm a supporter/fan and I don't feel like he's having a go at me.

I do support the club, and will still be doing so , long after Michael Carter goes. I once supported Michael Carter too.

At the same time, I will hold my hand up, and admit a Sunday evening of madness, last November. Which I fully regret, and apologised at the time. I also rightly served a ban. What I will say about this moment of madness, I think it was one comment, was it was done to try and swerve some unnecessary attacks by private message via this board, to myself and my family, by a certain person, who is no stranger to having more than one user name, I still have a hunch this is still happening. I did at the time of my apology point this out to moderators, but the digs did still continue.

Anyway, this post is not about me, this is about Michael Carter and is "rallying cry" of our diminishing fanbase

I don't think anyone thinks there is a magic money tree, or that MC is not entitled to respond to criticism - although it is valid criticism being made in saying that the money we have has been spent very badly. I also don't think anyone minds the ask for positivity (although there is nothing to be positive about) - its the inverted commas "fans" kind of comments that he usually makes, and the general view that seems to be agree with me or your not a supporter. It comes across as utter contempt for those that support the club and spend money to help the cause. Its a ridiculous tone to take at any time, but even more so now considering the mess we are in. Supporters of other clubs are saying the same where the comments have been shared on social media.

But it isn't contempt for fans.

Whether you agree whether he should post his views in public is one thing but it's contempt for those sending hate posts to players and staff and it's contempt for those who make things up across social media (including this one) purely to put the club players or staff in a bad light

Personal and Hate post are totally wrong but with what is going on at the club at the moment it is very hard to put positive spin on it meaning a lot of what is going to be said is negative and quite rightly so.

I think it means not being afraid to say what you see or what you’re feeling about the way the club is run and not being blinded by loyalty to a man whose decisions look to be sending us down to the championship.

Supporting the club and being critical of the way it’s run aren’t mutually exclusive!

Absolutely. No one is beyond reproach.
But looking for ways to improve is not the same as complaining about everything either.

Well, that's 5 pages of negativity about the club from its "supporters" and not a word of a positive suggestion about how the situation might be resolved. Most of the signings were well received by the fans and the squad containing Jowitt, Hall, Murphy and Tanginoa looked quite capable of holding its own this season. Their absences have been well documented and pretty much unavoidable.
The ground developments are essential and not negotiable and our only way forward is to make sure these are completed and in service as soon as possible.
So come on then, you keyboard warriors, tell MC & JM exactly who they missed out on signing and what can be done, in a real life situation, to turn the rugby situation around.

Spending close to £500k of our small budget on Gaskell, Lineham, Proctor, Antoni and Taufua is one of our major problems, I find it almost laughable when we are basically wasting a 3rd of our playing budget and yet the board bleat on about us pending less than everyone else.

That's not a solution.

5 nillings. 13 halves without a point. 1 try average per game and of the 47 points 24 came in the first game, do the people at the top actually have any feelings for the fans and the public of wakefield, do they actually care, if they did think anything about the fans they would do something about it. The club as been going through bad times most of my life but I've always thought in.the past we had hope and we had a chance.
This is not an enjoyable experience and defeat after defeat and poor performances as become the norm to the point that they will except anything including mediocrity and have for a number of years.
No one seems to know what the hell they are doing with recruitment or questioning it, we let Miller leave then phone him saying we've made a mistake and wel ask cas and pay a transfer fee before he even played, the players we brought in not as good as what left and on top dosh, an inexperienced coach and we are where we are but it's accepted.
I'm no Carter lover and I feel he's absolutely taking the pxxs out of the fans and having their pants down and having spoken to a few fans today who always backed Carter his approach and statement have made them furious and changed their way of thinking.
Do I think Carter will go, no.i don't till he's taken everything he can out of the club and hel just cling on in the background. We're all in this together but he's leaving and to be honest I can't wait for the day to come, I've never seen such bad feeling amongst the fans and most of the happiness as been drained from the club where most now can't be d and losing doesn't bother them. What a very sad sorry state of affairs.

solutions when you are a small club like us is not to make mistakes in the first place, thoroughly looking at players, making sure they are on par or better than we have, keep a nucleus of local lads who care and not expect them on the cheap and then pay silly money for overseas players who are no.better than we have. Have someone in charge with some forward thinking and the ability to build a side to create interest in.the team and club.we had chances to build a side under chester and went the wrong way, Danny Brough for example and quoted as the final piece of the jigsaw, he'd been a great sl player but his legs had gone but we still sign him.

Easy to point out signings that didn't work after the fact.
And as said, without stating who you'd rather have had,, who was available it doesn't show any special knowledge.
Miller who you say we shouldn't have let go didn't exactly turn Cas into world beaters, even with an international halfback partner. If we'd kept him. I'm certain he'd have been on your list.

So yes. Some signings haven't worked and have really cost us. But that doesn't mean they don't care or are planning relegation as suggested on here by some.

The injuries to Jowitt, Murphy, Tanginoa have been massive for us.
None of it is fun for us but I reckon it's incredibly stressful for them.

And they've tried as best they can to get some loan players in, even though some clubs don't want to help. We'll see if the stand off can get us ticking.
So I think they are trying within the constraints they have.
If something happens and we win some of the home games in June I'll be overjoyed.
If we go down I'll be really sad but still watch and hope the current group are still there doing their best.....with additional staff and additional income from the stadium.

the club should be doing everything in their power to change things, our performances are dreadful, we can't score points our heads are down and why on earth if it isn't working do you keep doing the same things the same way. If they cared and had feelings for the fans they would do something about it. Its the norm and its accepting mediocrity

I agree. So what makes you think they aren't?

Can't disagree on any of this Mopsey.

We all want one thing, and that is a club to be proud of, both on and off the pitch.

Most of us on here aren't stupid, and know we've never been the richest, or the biggest supported club, so don't expect all of our overseas players for example to be SOO quality, and for us to be at Old Trafford and Wembley every year.

What we do want to see however, is a competetive club that can be consistent and push to be in the play offs every year, and who knows, go far in the Challenge Cup. If we did have that, certain people, some on here too, would have a much quieter life

So all you want is something the club hasn't been able to do since the early 70s.
Simples. What the hell is Carter doing!

He should be farming unicorns on the new pitch too.

I'd be happy with mid table obscurity right now.

Like my previous comment, we never had a huge fan base or magic money tree then, so what's different.

Like Mopsey said, too many people happy with mediocrity.

If you set your standards low, you achieve low

Well the world was different in the 70s. We were semi pro for a start.
And we did have investors in the 60s and early 70s.

And the lack of a magic money tree is why the team in the 70s fell apart and we went from challenging to letting all our players go. And going to second division.

I thought you'd been around a long time. Why don't you know that?

Accepting where our limits are is not the same as not striving to be better.
You should always set realistic goals with a bit of stretch.

I was talking to him earlier, still no love lost

Has PT morphed into Vastman?

Hey. That's too far!!

I don't think I'm any different to you, in that I can see lots of things not working.
The only thing I'm trying to do is stop people just randomly including things that aren't true, and I don't think the board or coach 'don't care' or all the other silly accusations.
People may have made mistakes and things have happened that have made things worse, but it's not through intention or lack of trying.