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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"The main point is, if a team whether they are made up of few of the younger players can't beat a side that played with 12 men for over half a game there is something wrong, especially the Champions.
No I'm not trying to deny anything bud but the way you lot have been trying to paint the picture you'd think there were 17 teenagers on the pitch. We also had 6/7 younger players and only one recognised prop (Poore) and you had about 10, you really are making more out of it than there is especially for a pre-season boxing day game, that's all I've said.'"
leeds used 3 props yesterday, bailey played 70 mins, singleton did 50/60 mins & kirke did 20/30 mins
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| Didn't Healy (a prop) also play? Not sure it was over half a game with Leeds also down to 11 then 12 for 20 minutes of the game. Wakeys squad had a far more 'familiar' look than leeds though that just highlights the strength in depth of one side and the lack of in the other, to be expected really.
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| Quote ="deeHell"And more significantly played without a recognised prop after Poore was sent off.
I think people are reading way too much into this. It was a friendly with a ref out of his depth. Apart from Baileys bloated ego I see no damage done!'"
Basically this.
It was a friendly.
Nothing more.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"The main point is, if a team whether they are made up of few of the younger players can't beat a side that played with 12 men for over half a game there is something wrong, especially the Champions.
No I'm not trying to deny anything bud but the way you lot have been trying to paint the picture you'd think there were 17 teenagers on the pitch. We also had 6/7 younger players and only one recognised prop (Poore) and you had about 10, you really are making more out of it than there is especially for a pre-season boxing day game, that's all I've said.'"
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| Quote ="dull nickname"Poore went at it like a maniac yesterday right from the off, i loved every second of it.
It was an odd red card, and i'm struggling to think of too many recent games with 1 red and 3 yellow cards in it, so that says more about the ref than Bailey's supposedly wonderful goading tactics that earned him a whack.'"
I think Poore saw red because he had only 5 mins before been put on, what I now assume, was a warning from the ref for his high shot on I think Singleton (ironically now!). I suspect had it not been for this previous incident that ,like the other 3, he would have just seen yellow. It is difficult to argue with the ref's position on this one if, as I suspect, he had just handed out a 'carrying on like that & you may find yourself taking a break' chat to Poore a short while earlier & then despite being pulled in by Bailey, he floors him with a right hook!
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"I think Poore saw red because he had only 5 mins before been put on, what I now assume, was a warning from the ref for his high shot on I think Singleton (ironically now!). I suspect had it not been for this previous incident that ,like the other 3, he would have just seen yellow. It is difficult to argue with the ref's position on this one if, as I suspect, he had just handed out a 'carrying on like that & you may find yourself taking a break' chat to Poore a short while earlier & then despite being pulled in by Bailey, he floors him with a right hook!'"
I was between this position and the one i went with, as i said he did play like a maniac. I think ten would have given the same message, given chance for the coach to have a word to Poore whom was obviously in a mind to out everyone else, and made for an even better 1st warm up!
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| Quote ="MHL"
end of the day bailey has a small cut which will be gone in a week or two. poore has put a big target on himself for both players & refs which will last for months.'"
I would love it if other teams fans would read about our forum before coming on and posting their opinions. Bailey has a small cut, okay so play down the fact that he got cracked good and proper. Leeds like to make out he is some super technical machine used to enfuriate the other team, when in fact, yes he does get under other teams skin but that's because that's the type of person and player he is. Since a young age he has been one to try intimidate and boss players, yes it is a good way to put players off their game, but Bailey got what he was asking for, as the type of player he is, a good crack.
As another poster has also poster regarding Poore, he has made 200 or so NRL appearances, and this is beleived to be his first red card at first grade level in his career. So you stating he is a loose cannon who won't be on the field and be target because he's weak on his discipline doesn't match his track record.
I think on the flip side of this, you say people will target Poore and this will last with him for a long time, I think it also sends the message out that you can't pull Bailey stunts when Poores on the pitch. I don't think we'll see Bailey trying those tactics again do you? Grabbing hold of people and provoking fights? Unless he is really silly and does want another "small cut", so therefore, isn't Poore going to render your super tool useless when it really matters?
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| There are several fallacies in play here:
1. Ryan Bailey is the RL equivalent of The Shadow, deployed by Brian Mac specifically for his masterful ability to 'cloud mens minds.' He isn't.
2. Justin Poore is an out of control hothead, who will be a liability to WTW; he isn't and he won't.
3. The game mattered at all; it didn't.
If posters from both camps remembered these basic truths, the whole thread would be significantly less ridiculous.
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| Well my Dads bigger than your Dad so na,na,na.
It was a pre season friendly and it wont have any reflection on the season to come.
About time it was played at BV for a change one boxing day.
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| Quote ="FlockyTrin"I would love it if other teams fans would read about our forum before coming on and posting their opinions. Bailey has a small cut, okay so play down the fact that he got cracked good and proper. Leeds like to make out he is some super technical machine used to enfuriate the other team, when in fact, yes he does get under other teams skin but that's because that's the type of person and player he is. Since a young age he has been one to try intimidate and boss players, yes it is a good way to put players off their game, but Bailey got what he was asking for, as the type of player he is, a good crack.
As another poster has also poster regarding Poore, he has made 200 or so NRL appearances, and this is beleived to be his first red card at first grade level in his career. So you stating he is a loose cannon who won't be on the field and be target because he's weak on his discipline doesn't match his track record.
I think on the flip side of this, you say people will target Poore and this will last with him for a long time, I think it also sends the message out that you can't pull Bailey stunts when Poores on the pitch. I don't think we'll see Bailey trying those tactics again do you? Grabbing hold of people and provoking fights? Unless he is really silly and does want another "small cut", so therefore, isn't Poore going to render your super tool useless when it really matters?'"
plenty of players have cracked bailey "good and proper" the point you lot (and plenty of other teams fans) miss is the fact that bailey gets up and plays on, the 'hero' gets to watch the game for the sideline for 10 mins or the rest of the game. who's the real winner?
bailey (and his team mates) knows that they're playing a team sport where taking one for the team, quite literally on many occasions, is all part of coming out on top.
I'm stating he'll will get targeted, the fact it was his first red card, makes it even worse. he's shown every coach in the league that he's come over here thinking he's better than everyone else (which is a great attitude to have btw) however he couldn't actually handle the attention of been targeted. whether he reacts the same way again or not is up to him, and to a certain extent relatively pointless, but it'll certainly affect his game as every team will target him - extra men in the tackle, sly digs, off the ball extras, etc.
now you're just being stupid, i can guarantee that bailey will have a dig the very first tackle they're both involved in next game, to the extent that bailey will go out of his way to get involved in the tackle even if he's not required.
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| Quote ="les-goose"Well my Dads bigger than your Dad so na,na,na.
It was a pre season friendly and it wont have any reflection on the season to come.
About time it was played at BV for a change one boxing day.'"
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| Quote ="MHL"plenty of players have cracked bailey "good and proper" the point you lot (and plenty of other teams fans) miss is the fact that bailey gets up and plays on, the 'hero' gets to watch the game for the sideline for 10 mins or the rest of the game. who's the real winner?
bailey (and his team mates) knows that they're playing a team sport where taking one for the team, quite literally on many occasions, is all part of coming out on top.
I'm stating he'll will get targeted, the fact it was his first red card, makes it even worse. he's shown every coach in the league that he's come over here thinking he's better than everyone else (which is a great attitude to have btw) however he couldn't actually handle the attention of been targeted. whether he reacts the same way again or not is up to him, and to a certain extent relatively pointless, but it'll certainly affect his game as every team will target him - extra men in the tackle, sly digs, off the ball extras, etc.
now you're just being stupid, i can guarantee that bailey will have a dig the very first tackle they're both involved in next game, to the extent that bailey will go out of his way to get involved in the tackle even if he's not required.'"
See my previous post; I absolutely guarantee that you're a) crediting Bailey with way more intelligence than he actually has and b) reading far too much into this situation.
It's Christmas - go watch a film or something!
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| Quote ="les-goose"Well my Dads bigger than your Dad so na,na,na.
It was a pre season friendly and it wont have any reflection on the season to come.
About time it was played at BV for a change one boxing day.'"
Leeds have always traditionally had a friendly at headingley on boxing day and used to play Fax til they went down. If wakefield wanted one at BV Leeds would look to invite another team I guess.
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| How can they always traditionally have had a friendly on Boxing Day?
Summer rugby has only been going since mid 90,s.
Before then the traditional league match was Leeds v Wakefield.
The reason it was at Leeds was the under soil heating, which guaranteed the game going ahead.
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| Quote ="jacques"How can they always traditionally have had a friendly on Boxing Day?
Summer rugby has only been going since mid 90,s.
Before then the traditional league match was Leeds v Wakefield.
The reason it was at Leeds was the under soil heating, which guaranteed the game going ahead.'"
Sorry, I'm sure you didn't mean to be pedantic but 'always' was pretty loose, since the last 16 years then, I think that qualifies as long enough.
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| Quote ="MHL"plenty of players have cracked bailey "good and proper" the point you lot (and plenty of other teams fans) miss is the fact that bailey gets up and plays on, the 'hero' gets to watch the game for the sideline for 10 mins or the rest of the game. who's the real winner?
bailey (and his team mates) knows that they're playing a team sport where taking one for the team, quite literally on many occasions, is all part of coming out on top.
I'm stating he'll will get targeted, the fact it was his first red card, makes it even worse. he's shown every coach in the league that he's come over here thinking he's better than everyone else (which is a great attitude to have btw) however he couldn't actually handle the attention of been targeted. whether he reacts the same way again or not is up to him, and to a certain extent relatively pointless, but it'll certainly affect his game as every team will target him - extra men in the tackle, sly digs, off the ball extras, etc.
now you're just being stupid, i can guarantee that bailey will have a dig the very first tackle they're both involved in next game, to the extent that bailey will go out of his way to get involved in the tackle even if he's not required.'"
So let me get this right.
Bailey is a great player because he minces around putting sly digs into players who usually can't defend themselves.
After 10 years of this he is still untouchable and is never warned let alone penalised by weak refs.
Because of this all opposition players should simply allow him to carry on - no matter what the personal cost to them and fellow team mates.
Any player who defends themselves has been sucked in by his genius and is a hot head.
That is what you are saying?
This is the manifesto of an idiot, you do realise that.
Bailey got what he deserved and I will bet you 20 quid that Mr covert genius will not attempt the same trick next time - not now he knows the pain that will be inflicted. You see the one thing the Bailey's of this world don't like is the cold steel - I reckon a sudden calf injury will see that those two won't face each other again, no points for guessing who's calf.
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| Quote ="vastman"So let me get this right.
Bailey is a great player because he minces around putting sly digs into players who usually can't defend themselves.
After 10 years of this he is still untouchable and is never warned let alone penalised by weak refs.
Because of this all opposition players should simply allow him to carry on - no matter what the personal cost to them and fellow team mates.
Any player who defends themselves has been sucked in by his genius and is a hot head.
That is what you are saying?
This is the manifesto of an idiot, you do realise that.
Bailey got what he deserved and I will bet you 20 quid that Mr covert genius will not attempt the same trick next time - not now he knows the pain that will be inflicted. You see the one thing the Bailey's of this world don't like is the cold steel - I reckon a sudden calf injury will see that those two won't face each other again, no points for guessing who's calf.'"
It wouldn’t be a surprise if you actually believed this.
There is nothing covert or genius about it, Bailey does the same thing that prop forwards have been doing as long as the game has been played. If he needs to take a punch to help his team, he will do it. If he can cause someone else to lose their rag, all the better, its what props do. If Bailey was scared of pain he wouldnt have lasted 10 minutes as a top flight RL player, never mind 10 years.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"icon_lol.gif It wouldn’t be a surprise if you actually believed this.
There is nothing covert or genius about it, Bailey does the same thing that prop forwards have been doing as long as the game has been played. If he needs to take a punch to help his team, he will do it. If he can cause someone else to lose their rag, all the better, its what props do. If Bailey was scared of pain he wouldnt have lasted 10 minutes as a top flight RL player, never mind 10 years.'"
Of course I do, it's the truth - a bit of a stranger to you.
Bailey taking a punch for his team mates, yeah right - normally he's beating up the little guys, he didn't realise he'd hit a big kid. If Bailey ever goes on the same pitch as Poore this season I will be amazed - I see a sick note coming.
Justin really has upset your little universe.
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| Quote ="vastman"Of course I do, it's the truth - a bit of a stranger to you.
Bailey taking a punch for his team mates, yeah right - normally he's beating up the little guys, he didn't realise he'd hit a big kid. If Bailey ever goes on the same pitch as Poore this season I will be amazed - I see a sick note coming.
Justin really has upset your little universe.
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Little guys like Luke O’donnell? Or Adrian Morley? Or James Graham?
Bailey has been on pitches, and run it in time and time again, for 10 years, against bigger, badder, uglier and better players than Justin bloody Poore
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Little guys like Luke O’donnell? Or Adrian Morley? Or James Graham?
Bailey has been on pitches, and run it in time and time again, for 10 years, against bigger, badder, uglier and better players than Justin bloody Poore
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Oh dear - the smokey dullfest has found its way to the Trinity forum.
Not for long one hopes ...
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| Quote ="vastman"So let me get this right.
Bailey is a great player because he minces around putting sly digs into players who usually can't defend themselves.
After 10 years of this he is still untouchable and is never warned let alone penalised by weak refs.
Because of this all opposition players should simply allow him to carry on - no matter what the personal cost to them and fellow team mates.
Any player who defends themselves has been sucked in by his genius and is a hot head.
That is what you are saying?
This is the manifesto of an idiot, you do realise that.
Bailey got what he deserved and I will bet you 20 quid that Mr covert genius will not attempt the same trick next time - not now he knows the pain that will be inflicted. You see the one thing the Bailey's of this world don't like is the cold steel - I reckon a sudden calf injury will see that those two won't face each other again, no points for guessing who's calf.'"
I'll happily bet you £20 (loser to pay the money to charity)
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| Quote ="MHL"plenty of players have cracked bailey "good and proper" the point you lot (and plenty of other teams fans) miss is the fact that bailey gets up and plays on, the 'hero' gets to watch the game for the sideline for 10 mins or the rest of the game. who's the real winner?
bailey (and his team mates) knows that they're playing a team sport where taking one for the team, quite literally on many occasions, is all part of coming out on top.
I'm stating he'll will get targeted, the fact it was his first red card, makes it even worse. he's shown every coach in the league that he's come over here thinking he's better than everyone else (which is a great attitude to have btw) however he couldn't actually handle the attention of been targeted. whether he reacts the same way again or not is up to him, and to a certain extent relatively pointless, but it'll certainly affect his game as every team will target him - extra men in the tackle, sly digs, off the ball extras, etc.
now you're just being stupid, i can guarantee that bailey will have a dig the very first tackle they're both involved in next game, to the extent that bailey will go out of his way to get involved in the tackle even if he's not required.'"
So you continue to believe Bailey is "The Shadow", okay good luck with that.
And most importantly, please tell me these long list of players who have cracked Bailey, because over years of watching him play, he's in peoples faces, giving the sly dig, as people say usually to the smaller players, and when push comes to shove hes generally at the back of the pack staring people out.
Someone else stated it, but how Bailey isn't Super League Referees #1 target, I do not know. Luck only lasts so long.
Now I am just being stupid? Im looking forward to our next meet up and to see if Bailey has the brain, or the bottle to go as far as he did next time. He started the fight, lost the fight, but did not get red carded, thats both a fact and terrible refereeing decision. Now if Bailey starts when a good ref is on the field, I can assure you mastermind genius Ryan Bailey will be taking an early shower.
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| Now this has decended into a troll fest I see no further point continuing.
Many thanks all
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