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| Its a shame that the previous owners of the club have taken the club to the position they did, and Im sure that if they had been ousted a few years back things would be different. all they did was s around in hospitality, paying the whole family inflated salaries, and benefits and ran the club into the ground. The Richardsons should hang their heads in shame, they have all but killed the club
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| Quote ="Rhino Roy"Its a shame that the previous owners of the club have taken the club to the position they did, and Im sure that if they had been ousted a few years back things would be different. all they did was s around in hospitality, paying the whole family inflated salaries, and benefits and ran the club into the ground. The Richardsons should hang their heads in shame, they have all but killed the club'"
Don't feel sorry for us mate,we'll be back in one form or another.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Bloody hell,the wifes on our forums!
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I'm only saying what she tells me
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| Quote ="dickie mint"I'm only saying what she tells me
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I take it you understand gobbledigook then?
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"It's not until July when the club if any are told there not been awarded a franchise Ive got a feeling there will be a few twists and turns that will happen before then'"
According to eddie on boots n all july 29 is the day when they say who will drop out of SL
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| one thing thats puzzling me about the franchises (apart from it should be P/R) is that why not announce the club who will be demoted at the END of the season, and not three quarters of the way through it?
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| Quote ="JINJER"Don't feel sorry for us mate,we'll be back in one form or another.'"
Hope your right.......the RFL are a disgrace, but knowing their past form, they will definately promote widnes this time and then you can bet it will be halifax's turn the next time around......providing they tick the boxes in that period.
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| Everyone bangs on about rfl being bent etc etc. However after listening to JE at the fans forum it sounds like they have been more than helpful to 'us' over the past few months whilst under the old regime. Think rfl will be glad to see the back of ted et al but I think it will be too (not so much) little (as ag is making great strides in a short time) too late for us. However having believed a franchise decline would be the end of us previously I now believe it would just be the beginning of a new chapter in the history of wtwrlfc
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| Quote ="snowie"yes the floodlights was brought up to to the standard that their should of been, does it not show how the old regime just ran the club down'"
For heavens sake is it not possible to attach any fairness or logic to anything involving the old and new regimes?
Mr Glover is not running a club with a huge debt owed to the inland revenue. A bill built up due to the faulty belief amongst all SL that they would get away with image right payments.
Mr Glover did not build the flats and the pull off the deal of the century to keep them after the CVA. Nor did he build the half decent toilet facilities we now have, or the crash barriers around the ground, or the bottle bar, the Wildcat shop, the new turnstiles and the list goes on. He also didn't pay the last time the floodlights were upgraded in 2006.
I'm not defending Richardson or attacking Glover but some perspective please. The fact is Glover has a clean slate and as yet has not had to spend any serious money at all. Lets see how enthusiastic he still is in 3-4 years time when the bills are stacking up again - and they will.
I'm not having a go at you in particular but this new messiah stuff with Glover is getting very tiresome. He's done nothing wrong, trouble is he's actually done nothing major yet. Many RL clubs especially us have been taken down the garden path before.
Untill we get definite clarification regarding our long term future especially Newmarket I'd hold fire. You only have to look at clubs like Rochdale and Oldham and many more to see how badly things can go from very promising starts.
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| Quote ="vastman"For heavens sake is it not possible to attach any fairness or logic to anything involving the old and new regimes?
Mr Glover is not running a club with a huge debt owed to the inland revenue. A bill built up due to the faulty belief amongst all SL that they would get away with image right payments.
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I was under the impression our historic tax bills were nothing to do with image rights, that matter has yet to be resolved.
Also, when comparing the past and previous owners. To my knowledge Mr Glover did not manage to sell the ground for GBP 2.8m only for the club to see approximately half that figure with no explanation as to where the rest went.
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| Ted gave an explanation of where the 1.1million that didn't go to the club went. It was ringfenced as the clubs contribution to Newmarket.
The very same Newmarket that we have since been told that we don't have to contribute to.
So where is it now? Probably Cyprus.
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| Quote ="vastman":1xhqf5bcI'm not defending Richardson or attacking Glover but some perspective please.[
There is a lot of truth in this post again from Vastman. We're a month in to a new regime, let the dust settle. It's as bad as those on here making players into legends after a couple of decent games.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309" I was under the impression our historic tax bills were nothing to do with image rights, that matter has yet to be resolved.
Also, when comparing the past and previous owners. To my knowledge Mr Glover did not manage to sell the ground for GBP 2.8m only for the club to see approximately half that figure with no explanation as to where the rest went.'"
I was under the impression that it was related to Image Rights, only to find out later that it wasn’t. It was still historic, apparently the case officer was going through the accounts after the first winding up order in 2009 and found extra liabilities. The bill which finally undid the club earlier this year was from not paying any tax in the run up to the winding up order in the autumn.
Regardless the new administration will not have to face the Image Rights tax bill.
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| Quote ="vastman"For heavens sake is it not possible to attach any fairness or logic to anything involving the old and new regimes?
Mr Glover is not running a club with a huge debt owed to the inland revenue. A bill built up due to the faulty belief amongst all SL that they would get away with image right payments.
Mr Glover did not build the flats and the pull off the deal of the century to keep them after the CVA. Nor did he build the half decent toilet facilities we now have, or the crash barriers around the ground, or the bottle bar, the Wildcat shop, the new turnstiles and the list goes on. He also didn't pay the last time the floodlights were upgraded in 2006.
I'm not defending Richardson or attacking Glover but some perspective please. The fact is Glover has a clean slate and as yet has not had to spend any serious money at all. Lets see how enthusiastic he still is in 3-4 years time when the bills are stacking up again - and they will.
I'm not having a go at you in particular but this new messiah stuff with Glover is getting very tiresome. He's done nothing wrong, trouble is he's actually done nothing major yet. Many RL clubs especially us have been taken down the garden path before.
Untill we get definite clarification regarding our long term future especially Newmarket I'd hold fire. You only have to look at clubs like Rochdale and Oldham and many more to see how badly things can go from very promising starts.'"
Ill defend Mr Glover, the tax thing your just plain wrong about. The flats if you want people to whoop at the fact the club went into admin, and ripped of a creditor for the flats then your have no class.
As for the other changes, Ted had income for umpteen years to pay for those few changes, and in most cases will have done so begrudgingly after pressure from health and safety or the RFL.
Oh and also how many of Teds improvements did he actually pay for, and how many were written off with the administrations.
Where as MR glover will have had virtually no income yet, and is already starting to make improvements so I can not see how you can compare the two.
To sum up GLOVER = PROACTIVE TED = REACTIVE
You sound like somebody still in love with a girl friend who has just sh*g%ed your best mate. Yours so much in love you still want to see the good in them.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"
The £2.8M never exixted it was just a figure on a bit of paper. I know Ted promised it but he never could pay up because he never had the money. So basically we got £1.7M for the ground end of.
As for Mr Glover I am with Vasty on this, he has tinkered around a little and made a few minor improvements but thats it. Also don't forget the removal of the wages of Sam,Millard and Fergy from the playing staff has probably saved him more than he has actually spent so far. So like I said on a previous thread, the jury is still out for AG.
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| And Mr Glover doesn't have to pay Richardson's family wages either!
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| Quote ="charlie"And Mr Glover doesn't have to pay Richardson's family wages either!'"
And Franny and the girl who did the accounts. So when are Benji Marshall and Billy Slatter arriving
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| Quote ="vastman"For heavens sake is it not possible to attach any fairness or logic to anything involving the old and new regimes?
Mr Glover is not running a club with a huge debt owed to the inland revenue. A bill built up due to the faulty belief amongst all SL that they would get away with image right payments.
Mr Glover did not build the flats and the pull off the deal of the century to keep them after the CVA. Nor did he build the half decent toilet facilities we now have, or the crash barriers around the ground, or the bottle bar, the Wildcat shop, the new turnstiles and the list goes on. He also didn't pay the last time the floodlights were upgraded in 2006.
I'm not defending Richardson or attacking Glover but some perspective please. The fact is Glover has a clean slate and as yet has not had to spend any serious money at all. Lets see how enthusiastic he still is in 3-4 years time when the bills are stacking up again - and they will.
I'm not having a go at you in particular but this new messiah stuff with Glover is getting very tiresome. He's done nothing wrong, trouble is he's actually done nothing major yet. Many RL clubs especially us have been taken down the garden path before.
Untill we get definite clarification regarding our long term future especially Newmarket I'd hold fire. You only have to look at clubs like Rochdale and Oldham and many more to see how badly things can go from very promising starts.'"
Ha ha Vasty you are just jelous your beloved Ted isn't number 1 anymore. Its quite clear now how Ted ran us into the ground. New fresh ideas by Mr Glover ais certainly helping us and its clear how stale things had become under Ted. Its ok Vasty you still belong on Teds loveboat he hasn't replaced you yet even for a new suit at M&S.
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| Quote ="rugbyball"Ill defend Mr Glover, the tax thing your just plain wrong about. The flats if you want people to whoop at the fact the club went into admin, and ripped of a creditor for the flats then your have no class.
As for the other changes, Ted had income for umpteen years to pay for those few changes, and in most cases will have done so begrudgingly after pressure from health and safety or the RFL.
Oh and also how many of Teds improvements did he actually pay for, and how many were written off with the administrations.
Where as MR glover will have had virtually no income yet, and is already starting to make improvements so I can not see how you can compare the two.
To sum up GLOVER = PROACTIVE TED = REACTIVE
You sound like somebody still in love with a girl friend who has just sh*g%ed your best mate. Yours so much in love you still want to see the good in them.'"
You sound like what you are, a silly bitter Featherstone fan who has made up the facts to suit yourself.
The Tax bill that took us down was to do with image rights - end of.
Your lack of knowledge is staggering.
Ted Richardson took the club over just before it collapsed after the previous owners the Duncan family finances collapsed. Unlike AG he did take over the clubs debt.
Even more stupid and ignorant of you is the FACT that Ted didn't sign the deal for the flats, it was a certain Mr Pearman (remember him) who did that. It was the same Mr Pearman who took the club into a CVA. He was the great saviour of the club and Ted was all set to step down. Oh the short memories.
It was Ted who structured he CVA that saved the club and gave the creditors some return.
So jog on.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"
And just get ready for when the mob turns when the big names don't arrive. Carnage!
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Ha ha Vasty you are just jelous your beloved Ted isn't number 1 anymore. Its quite clear now how Ted ran us into the ground. New fresh ideas by Mr Glover ais certainly helping us and its clear how stale things had become under Ted. Its ok Vasty you still belong on Teds loveboat he hasn't replaced you yet even for a new suit at M&S.'"
You really are clueless.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I was under the impression that it was related to Image Rights, only to find out later that it wasn’t. It was still historic, apparently the case officer was going through the accounts after the first winding up order in 2009 and found extra liabilities. The bill which finally undid the club earlier this year was from not paying any tax in the run up to the winding up order in the autumn.
Regardless the new administration will not have to face the Image Rights tax bill.'"
True but it doesn't really matter what order they all arrived in, it was the image rights bill that we couldn't affford and didn't expect - still we won't be the last.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"Ted gave an explanation of where the 1.1million that didn't go to the club went. It was ringfenced as the clubs contribution to Newmarket.
The very same Newmarket that we have since been told that we don't have to contribute to.
So where is it now? Probably Cyprus.'"
Se it's stupid gossipy crud like that that just devalues what you say. That's not debate it bar room banter.
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| Quote ="Schunter" And just get ready for when the mob turns when the big names don't arrive. Carnage!
True, and it will happen and AG will need even bigger balls than Ted to get through it. I don't envy him, heaven forbid the poor sod buys a house in the sun, a new car or a suit in the next few years.
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| Quote ="vastman"
=#FF4000AG will need even bigger balls than Ted to get through it.
The things you know
Dirty Poodle, Dirty!!!!
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