Thats good then because no ones asking anyone to invest, the trust will not be asking for money and minutes of the meeting will be for all to share, the meetings been called because of the state we are in, its been called earlier than it maybe would have but needs must.

They are not "giving out facts from the club" they are not the voice of the club but they will answer any questions that they have an answer to.

And the known facts are all that I've tried to promote, I'm certainly not pro BoD and neither am I as scathing in my condemnation of them as some others are.

Where there is doubt because of a lack of information I've said so and I've only tried to clarify the situation regarding the ESCROW and any funds in it.

Sorry fella but that is utter codswallop!

The fans behind the ST are working hard to set up the Trust because they want clarity, truth, influence and a truly impartial position from which to judge the BoD or any new BoD with objectivity.

The whole movement has been fueled by the lack of truth and clear information from the club so there's no way the ST will kick off by 'spinning' a line from the club to suit its own ends.

I cannot see why there seems to be hostility in some quarters towards a proposed Supporters' Trust!

A supporters' Trust is totally separate from the club. It may provide a vehicle for acquiring a holding in the club and board representation. Then again it may not! That is entirely a decision for the members of that Trust, not those who those members empower to run it - invariably as unpaid volunteers with s shedload of (often unappreciated) work to do.

If I was a Wakey supporter (I am not, but don't pillory me for being a concerned well-wisher), and knowing what I know about the nature and role of Supporters' Trusts, and about the wider financial state of the club (and some other clubs and indeed most of the game outside of the sugar-daddied clubs) I would see a Trust as being a no-brainer. Quite possibly the best way forward for everyone.

And, don't forget, it is always easier for a club to communicate with and discuss issues of common concern or interest with a single body, with a mandate to speak on behalf of enough of the fans to have the credibility, than with fans individually or disparate groups. Unless, of course, a club is actively seeking to "divide and conquer"...

OK, just my observations from a position of a bit of experience. But what do I know?

But remember - a Supporters' Trust is very similar to a co-operative: owned and run by its members for its members, and - importantly, and I assume this would be the case at Wakey too - one member one vote. And totally democratic - indeed, you would not believe the sodding hoops those volunteers charged by the members with running a Trust have to jump through to maintain and ensure that democracy. Believe me...

And, unlike an ISA, you are talking about an organisation incorporated under the Industrial & Provident Societies Acts 1965-1978, that is subject to a wide range of statutory and general regulation to protect the members and anyone dealing with it. As well as being under the Guidance of Supporters' Direct who - again believe me - will not put up with anything that is not totally in the interests of the members.

So, as I said, why would anyone be hostile or suspicious, certainly without going to hear what is said? And, provided enough of you turn out, including the sceptics, then there will be enough reporting back to dispel any worries about spin on what is "regurgitated" back? I'd say that argument had gone way past "strong" and was making serious ground on "irrefutable"?

But again, what do I know, eh? Sorry if anyone thinks I am interfering. I am not, and have no reason or grounds to. But I hate injustice, and that is what impels me to comment.

Sincerely, again

A concerned observer and well-wisher.

I would guess, for some (and I say this without knowledge of who is who on here!), there is still some ill-feeling from when the Supporters Club merged with WISA back in the day, and that some have benefited from that by being employed by the club, or being within as 'inner circle' if you will. Just a hunch.

Perhaps. Add to that the fact that some of the other more persistent critics are not even Wakey fans and I think you've probably covered the whole spectrum.

If that is the case - I have no knowledge one way or the other, I refer again to what I said above about a Supporters Trust being something totally different to an ISA. And by law and its constitution it HAS to be democratic. If the members choose to be apathetic and let their elected board do what they want, then the members have only themselves to blame. But provided the members remain engaged, and use their right to appoint those to the board that THEY and no-one else chooses, and sack anyone of whom they disapprove, then you would not expect a situation not in the interests of the members to ever arise?

There are some things you have to fight for, and then remain involved with to ensure the right prevails. But all you need for bad things to happen is for the majority of good men and women to do nothing.

I would suggest that if the majority now indeed choose to do nothing, saying instead it is someone else's problem to sort it - then they can surely have no complaints with the outcome?

In the case above, its just uniformed trolling from a Fev fan, its that simple.

Thats correct and thats how it should be.

That is definitely wrong if that's what is thought. The ST working party includes reps from ALL the supporters groups working in the name of WT. They may not all remain involved, either as individuals or as groups, but a lot of time was taken to ensure that ALL the groups were at least aware of the proposal and what it could mean in the end and have been allowed the opportunity to comment on and contribute to the formation of the group.

'All for one' if you like!

I don't know much about the supporters club/wisca argument and what the supporters trust has to do with either of them. However I was talking to a wisca member who seemed to be against/unsure about the supporters trust. He's normally a pretty sound bloke, who has already put his grand in, so I was surprised at his reaction to a supporters trust.

It is about neither of those. It is about informed faith.

I am not trolling here , and as you can see I have probably defended your BOD on here more than anybody , unless you actually have access to the financial records of the club , there is an element of trust and risk involved , that is a decision for all to make

All the best

I would not be putting money in unless I did have access to those records or at least someone who I trusted had and was happy that the 500k was not just a stop gap on the road to oblivion.

" Who I trusted " , as I said an element of trust and risk , but I get the feeling you are the type of fan Mr. Richardson is banking on

A true Wakefield Trinity fan

All the best

I'm off out for a beer in enemy territory tonight ( w1g4n ) , so

I could put a grand in. But why would I do this if the people wanting the grand aren't prepared to say why they need it until I've given it to them and a 3rd party want to have a meeting where they will give their understanding of the situation re the people who want the grand.

You could not make this stuff up.

Were in big trouble and I fear the worst. I think a ST is a good thing but the club has to come down a peg or two to enable a ST to have any power. Eg Wimbledon and fc united, who are the most famous, were not started at the top (polar opposite in fact).

If this happens, im in provided the plans good. As we stand now: no.

If teds going to give over his shares when they have 500k then why not now without 500k? Give = Gift except when Give = 500k in company bank account.

Something smells and I can suspect many smell it.

i am also prepared to put the money in but also concerned that if newmarket doesn't come off then i am at a loss of £1k.. i wish that there was something more spcific as th what the money is exactly to be used for and the exact benefits i get.

TBF you will lose £1k come what may, you will never get a return.

Dont see much of this (trust and risk) in the Wakefield Dictionary we bimble from crisis to crisis and then on average every 3 years or so up the BOD pop for an injection of cash, not once has a serious investor joined the board. Every season there is some issue be it with selling players players falling out etc etc, To be honest I feel like I have fallen out of love with the club and couldn't really care less at the moment.

I haven't gone today as a fan who goes most places other than France and Cardiff etc on principle I feel very uninspired at the moment.

Head in gas oven time, but i know how you feel. kicks the ?hit out of you mate

Any news on how the donations are going so far? I contacted the club and they said the would get back to me..... still nothing yet.. Makes me feel uneasy... a grand is a lot to me and i had a couple of people willing to help (Business owners in Australia)

You will NOT getting any financial return, the shares will have a nominal value say 10p. The benefit you will get is that it well help get the club out of the financial mess it has got itself into. I am not sure who has first call on the money raised, is it Rodney Walker (to pay off the tax loan) Ted Richardson (for his shares/loans to the club) or the club itself.

This exercise will probably be needed again soon, the way we are losing money.

It is not an investment, it is a gift. One which sadly i refuse to give. I simply do not trust them with my money and have no faith in them what so ever.

According to Ted in League Express we had had 14 people put in their money so far.

Seems a lot of your fans are worried they may lose their £1000 for nothing if the club don't get the full 500. Would it not be better to try to get 500 "pledges" and if that fails nobody loses and would maybe tempt more fans to "pledge"?? Hope all goes well, would hate to see you disappear!

TBF i think everyone should be pretty clear now, if the moneys not raised it will be returned/
its the rest of the unanswered questions and the overall distrust of the club to competently deal with anything thats financial, that is dissuading people!
roll on tuesday!!!!

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