You've got a lot of convincing to do Dreadnought I think exactly like you. But some on here have those rose coloured specs on when they think of Max, He has got good qualities & some bad qualities as well. I said 5 or 6 seasons ago that he's not a fullback & should play stand-off & the reason I said that because of his defence & I got absolutely slaughtered on here for saying that. I even gave examples but the roses wouldn't have it. If you watch the Warrington game twice he let the player-run past him & then tackled him over the line ( He did that a lot when he played there regularly) & then the other one he could have tackled Austin but instead did a spectacular dive & just missed him again did it a lot when he played regularly at fullback. Playing at stand off I thought would probably toughen him up a bit & help with his tackling & to some extent it has, But at the moment he does lack the foresight that other stand-offs have. Now wether he can learn the craft is another thing but to do that he needs a good scrun half that can bring him on. But he's not going to learn anything from Chester & his team of coaches. I'll probably get hammered for saying all this but like Vasty/Fcrap says It's only my opinion.

I like Max a lot but as said he has flaws.
He's one of the best we've had under a high ball and can pass but his organisation of defense and his personal defense are not great.
Hampshire is not the FB answer either but has speed on his side.
That's why I like Walker as he's good all round.

Max I'd play at half back but he has a lot of development to go to be a starting 7 in a super league team.

Woah woah woah cry baby, where did I state Hampshire is the real deal? Simply better than Max.

Get him out to Dewsbury for a season with Paul Sykes (although I'd imagine he will have retired by the time the season is underway) and let him have a full year playing halfback under someone who can coach/guide him through. We do not have enough time left in this season to develop him and next year is make or break.

Personally think it was a great achievement by Max getting the Albert Goldthorpe. A great season and a lad with plenty of Skill. Quality from Batch getting into the England Knights and a lad with great work ethic! Crowther is doing very well too and this last few weeks 3 quality players have said this about Jordy without prompts,

"One of the best trainers and toughest competitors I've come across in my career".
Ryan Atkins. "When you look at the attributes of some of the younger players here at Wakefield, the likes of Jordy Crowther has what it takes to be a great player".
Joe Westerman. "If you ask me which player is going to play 300+ games and captain the club for a few years I'd say Jordy Crowther".
Danny Kirmond

Tom is in a league of his own and world class (Injuries aside) coming through some very very harsh criticisms previously. His finishing constantly astounds me!!

We have other good young players too here and hopefully things click into place!

No, but Johnstone got a man of steel award for young player of the year which I would argue is more of an accolade being that it is voted for by fellow players. Isn't the Albert Goldthorpe decided by a group of journalist at the league express?

By the way, Jowitt is my pick for Fullback I have rarely seen him have a bad game but for whatever reason he is not Chester's, I just dont get it but maybe there is some other reason that is not clear to see from just watching the team play every week, tbf there is so much more to the FB role than meets the eye, organising the defensive line from the back etc maybe this is his down fall? I think he would pick the Dreadnought over Jowitt if he lost a couple of pounds.

I like Max but he’s a million miles off TJ. I’ll add to what you’ve already stated, 1 cap with a hatrick and wasn’t he in the dream team?

Max is a good pro, TJ is a star who’s frankly wasted with us at the moment.

I'm not going to act like I didn't receive a call from Chris when Walker and Rocky were out but I'd just tested positive for being the hardest fella in Wakey so I was unavailable for selection.

Not sure I agree about the organising, looks ok to me. However his one on one defence is poor, huge weakness.

However age and regular games should improve that and in his defence he’s never had that.

CC suffers the same fault imo that most British coaches have, he won’t stick with young British players. Yet he will persist with over rated Aussies and British players past their best, fault he learned from JK.

I loved JK but during his time at BV hardly any youngsters came through. CC started of with an open mind but has gradually lost his nerve.

Just how I see it, might be wrong, but it’s a constant complaint I hear about both men.

I'm afraid I don't agree, his defensive game would improve in training to the point it's deemed it's SL standard. Sure game experience helps as it's at 100% speed but there is clearly something that Max isn't doing through the week that prevents him from playing.

I also don't agree on the point about sticking young british players in. You may want to take another look at our squad and see just who he backs when fit.

I've watched him on the organising defense. He seems to panic the defense. I've seen him 3 different times call to a player to move only for the opposition to run straight through the gap he left. Two were tries.

Maybe if I'd watched the others they would do the same but Walker seems much calmer when the line is being attacked. Grix was excellent at it. As was Mathers.

No matter what post comes on here it always turns round to Max Jowitt

Was just thinking the same LW, if all the posters studied past FB they will find faults and they played regularly, while Grix as been mentioned his organisation, distribution and positioning was dreadful at Wakefield a player who frustrated me like hell but had a knack of holding his hands up and suggesting someone else’s at fault, I suppose you can guess I wasn’t his biggest fan, my opinion also.

I’ve never played in a pro team. I’m guessing it’s not easy coming from the academy and bossing seasoned pros. That’s the downside people don’t see when they demand young players get promoted. Maybe it’s those players who aren’t listening. Key roll is FB these days.

Max either needs a long run at FB or get loaned out for a season. He’d join a Championship side where he’d be considered an experienced player rather than an apprentice.

Those of us of a certain age know that sometimes the only way to stop being the eternal apprentice is to go elsewhere. Doesn’t need to be permanent but it would probably help.

I know TJ and Ellis made it through the ranks but as I say they were/are stars. Max is like most players he can only progress by learning.

That’s how I see it.

Needs to tackle better though, I think most of us agree on that.

Wakefield fans are really odd that way.

They demand local talent from the Academy. Yet the first players they turn on are the very same lads. I’ll never get it.

Cas fans really protect their youngsters, I admire them for that even if it can get ludicrous at times.

I know what you mean. I’ve never seen a player who manages to be the MOM and the worst player on the park in the same game.

In that infamous Saints game he was having a blinder when under no pressure he had a monumental brain fart. I understand why some resent him. Most will forgive mistakes but some are almost indefensible and that was one.

I’ve watched that game a few times since and his actions still baffle me. They are rookie errors from a player who isn’t a rookie and had no excuse and his entire career was the same.

That said I liked him because he gave us something but he was never going to be a genuine contender, there was something missing.

Because he managed some great plays he got away with it where others wouldn’t, definitely a maverick.

Tell you what Vasty you’re spot on with the seasoned pros not listening or like being told trust me. Some people think that if you’ve played the game a long time that you’ve got summat between the lug holes and it’s not always the case and like football players if they couldn’t run fast they wouldn’t bring owt to the table.

You keep on about Grix but is tackling was worse than Jowitt .He was the main reason why Jowitt lost his way .Grix was lucky he played in the team which was at it's peak with at least 5 players who could and did go 90 meters.Max should have been at fullback then .

Human nature, I’m old now and sometimes it’s hard to be bossed by someone younger than your own kids. I’m ashamed to admit it but sometimes I make life difficult for them just because I can. Nothing truly evil and it probably helps them in the long run.

It’s funny how people suspend reality and believe that somehow players leave the womb fully formed. They don’t, all but a tiny few are ready mentally at the same time as they are physically.

I have all the time in the world for any youngster who tries, those who pee away a god given talent I have less sympathy for.

Why should he? Grix was better simple as that.
You can't go back and rewrite history because you feel there needs to be someone to blame for Max not being no. 1.
Grix was getting man of the match for fun. He was a big part of making the team tick.
It doesn't take anything away from Max that someone else was better.

I alway wonder how far max,Jordan,and batch would have advanced, not their playing careers As they are already in a super league club, but in their development as they are still young up and coming players with the RL world at their feet and a bright future to boot,as well as eager to learn.if they’d have come through say the saints or wires or Wigan’s set up.Suppose that’s academic now as they are in the Wakefield set up and long may it continue.

Just to change it away from Jowitt. I see what everybody's saying about the young ones at Wakey, But don't you think it's a just a theory that you see others coming through at all or most the other clubs that whoever they bring in from the academy are all built like brick outhouses & nearly all about 6ft2 & over & 17 stone while Batch, Crowther & Co & I'm not knocking them but are smaller in stature & dare I say it have less clout I'm probably way off the mark here but it's something I've thought for a while & before anybody starts I'm not knocking anybody here It's just something I'd put out there & see what people thought

As the season is mathematically gone now with the percentage we should 100% focus on giving the young players and fringe players as much time as possible. Players like Crowther, batch, Jowitt, Bailey, aydin, gwaze and Croft. Giving these guys a string of 8 SL games will massively bring them on and will also sort out who has the ability to be a valuable member of the 2021 squad. It can only be beneficial for squad strength next year.

We should focus on next year and preparation for 2021 starting now. Including recruitment.

He really must go

He really must go