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| Quote ="kinleycat"I accept he may not be at a SL club, and i aren't suggesting for a NGB4C-minute that he is a super dooper half back mega star, but he has a kicking game which we are lacking and he had no less skill than is being shown presently.
A bad decision to let him go?'"
Agreed. With the limited amount of game time that he had with us last season, he would have been worth keeping and he kicks goals for fun and has a pretty good tactical kicking game and in theory, he was playing in a weaker team (although this is up for debate at the moment).
Considering his age we should have given the guy a little longer, also, we should be trying to sign promising youngsters and developing them, rather than old stagers (like McGoldrick) who are past their best and have "baggage".
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| Quote ="NEwildcat"Hope the McGoldrick thing is just a rumour. Don't want him i our club.
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It is, he has been "rumored" to be coming to wakey for the past three years according to the cas forum.
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| Quote ="Tommy Duckfingers"There must have been somebody out there who could have been a cheaper option and one more likely to settle. Moore for starters is the obvious suggestion. I find it frustrating that we have given john 3 years to try and prove his worth - something that we seem to do regularly for imports, yet the domestic lads who we have we dont afford anywhere near as much time to get up to speed. We seem to give them a handful of games and then ship them out, when obviously we give the imports much, much more time to get there.
I'm not saying Moore is the answer, and its easy to be wise after the event but surely the fact that he doesnt have to move half way round the world into an alien culture and climate as a young man means he already has a head start on the likes of John & Smith?
And by the same token as the last point, John wouldn't have been available if he was any good.'"
I get all this, but no one else has taken Moore on which suggests to me he wasn't SL standard. If he had been snapped up on his release from us I'd be more convinced that we had lost out. I think our current disapointment with this side and our relentless ill founded reliance on overseas players shouldn't blind us to the shortcomings of previous players British or otherwise..
If Moore were good enough he's be in SL with someone. Very good kicker I grant you.
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| The one thing that Moore never seemed to get used to was the speed of SL - I liked him a lot and thought he had a touch of the Broughy about him, but he got often got caught in possesion when he was shaping to kick and, due to his slight build, was very easily dominated in the tackle.
As much as I would have liked it to be otherwise, perhaps he's one of those players who looks good at Championship level but is just not good enough for SL?
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| Has he tried Washbrook at halfback yet?
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| Quote ="bren2k"The one thing that Moore never seemed to get used to was the speed of SL - I liked him a lot and thought he had a touch of the Broughy about him, but he got often got caught in possesion when he was shaping to kick and, due to his slight build, was very easily dominated in the tackle.
As much as I would have liked it to be otherwise, perhaps he's one of those players who looks good at Championship level but is just not good enough for SL?'"
As I said, I'm not sure Moore is/was the answer - but seen as he is effectively the player we have shipped out to make way for John he's the one who keeps cropping up.
Maybe if Moore had been afforded the security of a 3 year contract and a full time environment with proffesional back room staff then he would have had more of a chance to develop into the next Broughy - rather than piling on pressure for him to prove his worth in a handful of games.
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| Quote ="Tommy Duckfingers"Maybe if Moore had been afforded the security of a 3 year contract and a full time environment with proffesional back room staff then he would have had more of a chance to develop into the next Broughy - rather than piling on pressure for him to prove his worth in a handful of games.'"
I suppose the fact that he's still at Batley would suggest not - if he had that potential, it's likely that another SL coach would have spotted it by now and be giving him exactly what you've described.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"We had a good potential half back in Moore. He would be doing far better than these 2.'"
I am sure batley would welcome your support carry on and get behind Moore
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"I am sure batley would welcome your support carry on and get behind Moore'"
I'd much rather have Ben Black than Moore
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| Quote ="Uffa1964"Has he tried Washbrook at halfback yet?'"
Your avatar... Are you John Kear?
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| Quote ="NEwildcat"Hope the McGoldrick thing is just a rumour. Don't want him i our club.
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Don't worry about McGoldrick, Jimmy offered him a deal and Goldy told him to stuff it.
Goldy says he is not prepared to commit to 3 years with our club
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Don't worry about McGoldrick, Jimmy offered him a deal and Goldy told him to stuff it.
Goldy says he is not prepared to commit to 3 years with our club'"
Not a rumour created on Cas Forum or "wishful thinking" on behalf of the Cas fans afer all then ?
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Not a rumour created on Cas Forum or "wishful thinking" on behalf of the Cas fans afer all then ?
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Cheers - see what you mean about the 3 year deals . Youngquest anyone ?
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| No doubt someone will have mentioned this in the earlier pages of this thread BUT a half back is on a hiding to nothing if he's playing with a slower and lighter set of forwards vs a speedy and big, aggressive opposition. In this case, both halfbacks are shut down and are unable to make breaks in the 5metres they end up playing in. Isaac John skippered a very good Auckland Vulcans side in last year's Grand Final- that day the NZ Warriors had the 1st team, the seconds (Vulcans) and the U21s in the GFinal. Isaac did not become a poor player overnight, nor has he forgotten how to play. Rather, his forwards are quite unlike those at the Warriors who are big, fast and mobile from a standing start AT ALL LEVELS in the Warriors club. OK< Jason Dimetriou did point out that Isaac wasn't yet the finished artice, and he's right. That said, he is a very good player who is unable to show his worth. Fingers crossed for tomorrow vs Cas.
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| So, this half back problem of ours........
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| Quote ="reedy"Have we got the worst half backs in the comp.
Poor kicking game,dont take on the line,poor tackling.'"
ooooooh sorry can't agree with you on that one today...it has been bad at times I'll give you that but Smith's kicking game was good today and Sykes put a couple of useful ones in as I recall too. Wood has nice touches but throws far too many heart in the mouth speculator come and intercept me passes for my liking. He needs to calm down and get better judgement then I think he'll be a good un.
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| The first few kicks of the second half by Sykes were beauties, split the Cas side right down the middle and pinned them down, did that all game tbh constantly turned them and Smith also put a few lovely kicks through.
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| Sykes and Smith worked PERFECTLY well today imo. Sykes took some responsibility off Smith, allowing Smith to pass the ball when he wanted, attack the line when he wanted, etc. Fair play to Sykes, I was a little worried when I first saw it! But well done nevertheless.
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| Quote ="WakeyManDan8"Sykes and Smith worked PERFECTLY well today imo. Sykes took some responsibility off Smith, allowing Smith to pass the ball when he wanted, attack the line when he wanted, etc. Fair play to Sykes, I was a little worried when I first saw it! But well done nevertheless.'"
Aye, that was an option that no one on here suggested, but it worked well; Smith seemed to be more composed and played with more confidence.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Aye, that was an option that no one on here suggested, but it worked well; Smith seemed to be more composed and played with more confidence.
Be interesting to see what happens next week.'"
Agar called it, against all expectations, and it worked.
It was a rough-and-ready option, so should get better with practice. Now that he's called it, he should stick to it for the next few games, at least.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"Agar called it, against all expectations, and it worked.
It was a rough-and-ready option, so should get better with practice. Now that he's called it, he should stick to it for the next few games, at least.'"
Tbh Sykes rather like Agar arrived with a tarnished reputation. Sykes gained his when picked for GB when he wasn't good enough and then played out of position. I wasn't keen I have to say.
What I had forgotten is that he has played a lot at S/O and was playing there when he left the Bulls and playing well according to them.
I had him down as a Centre who was mainly there to kick goals. As it happens he's a decent S/O. Along with Cockayne, Mathers and Raliegh he's proving to be one of the surprise signings.
Before people bag John as a waste of time, Sykes has years of experience over him - and the Sykes of aged 22 was no better - it takes time and Sykes may be the player who has given us that breathing space.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Aye, that was an option that no one on here suggested, but it worked well.'"
Id like to point you in the direction of the 2nd comment in the "Time for change" topic on page 2.
Me and Haribo Rich are on the same wavelength
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