Go on then - trot out the party line, as endorsed by the Wigan polit-bureau, as to how this is a wonderful deal for the whole RL community and not in any way an example of IL getting bent over and vigorously shafted by some posh blokes at Saracens.

Meanwhile, I agree with your suggestion that young players were ill-used under Mr Kear; there has been no proper pathway to SL for our Academy products and the dual-reg system was criminally under-utilised.

Back on topic - if its Gareth Moore I won't be very happy.
I had high hopes for him next season.

There do seem to be a fair bit of smoke where Mr Agar is concerned re: the younger players.

I am getting a tad concerned myself.

If it is him then I'm not that bothered and will trust Agars judgement. Moore is not a 'young un' he has been around
long enough to break into SL and has not yet done so. Lets not forget he came through the Leeds system and they
had the same opinion of him as Agar.

People going on about all the young players going have a point but just for one minute look at it from a slightly different point of view. Had we not been in the position we were at the beginning of the year most of these young players wouldn't even be on our radar. How many can say they knew anything about Veivers or Howarth, other than what they read in the odd academy report? Yes there are exceptions such as Johnson and Mariano, but they are few and far between. The fact is like it or not we have/had a lot of players on our books who would not have seen the first team of any super league club let alone ours had the financial situation been different. Players like Moore (if it is him) were signed for life in the championship. Who can honestly say that the players released so far would be picked ahead of any of the new signings? Also let's not forget these players from last year were signed on professional super league contracts not scholarship or academy wages. For the first time in a long time we are being run as a proper business and everybody knows that there is no room for sentiment in business. As harsh as it is somebody has to cut the chaff from the wheat. Agar may come out to be the bad guy by releasing certain players, but he has restrictions, budgets to adhere to and a boss to answer to. How many of our released (not sold) young players from the past have ever really come back to bite us?

He's only 22 so in my book he's a young un!

Yes he is young, but lets not forget players like Gaskill, Tomkins, Eastmond, Lomax are younger and have all eclipsed him.
We even have Wildie who is younger and a much better player IMHO. No doubt many other clubs have players younger than Moore who have better talent.

Like other posters have said I really think he is not SL ready and probably never will be .

We will have to agree to disagree then, I think he has a lot of potential myself.

Moore for me is not a bad player but is one of those who is not S/L standard but better than championship standard.I always look at it this way how many youngsters in the past have we let go yes some will come back and haunt you but the vast amount wont make the grade.Remember years ago we had one in the colts who looked good he even went on to play for GB colts but ended up at Doncaster when they were at the very bottom in the late seventies it would be.Out of interest who remembers his name give you a clue he ended up playing prop for them far removed from where he played for the colts.

he has been told he can look elsewhere mate same with young hyde who will probably go to france. davey the same but he has asked to be allowed to prove himself and at least another 3 that i know of.
as far as obst is concerned i can guarantee you he will not be coming to wakefield. been told by ra already that he is not in his plans. after telling him 2 months ago that he was. ewan is still waiting after being told by ra that he was in his plans he had heard nothing else after numerous phone calls. good news for obst is , one of my mates tell me that leeds might be interested.

You obviously did not go to the Hudds Giants game, Wildie not a bad player got potential'' but couldnt kick a barn door in general play or over the sticks ? so how do you IYHO have Wildie a better SH, as he is an acting half / hooker type player ?

Wasn't this meant to have happened by now?

Sam is effectively on hold whilst the Smith/Aiton saga is resolved I believe. He seems to be the back up plan but things are dragging on longer than is ideal. I'm sure RA is trying to get the best team on the park for the money he has available and you can't knock him for that. Its just maybe the way he's going about it thats not perfect. A lot of players are hanging on various lengths of string at the minute and theres a bit of a sense of unease about it all. The sooner the visa situation is sorted the better.

You said we had released Liam Higgins over a week ago, is that still true? I'm not doubting it isn't, just interested.

If Aiton has only just signed this week we'd better get some more string because his visa application will have only just been submitted. Glover told someone on twitter yesterday that Collis and Smith's visa applications are moving along without problem, it's just one of those things and takes time. This situation isn't ideal for anyone, and in a perfect world we would have completed recruitment before the end of last season. Sadly, and through no fault of our own, we're playing catchup as best we can. Elston might be getting it in the neck for making some of the signings, but it's a given that players like Lauititi wouldn't have still been available when Agar was officially appointed, and I can't wait to see a player with that amount of talent play for my team. Sure, we started recruiting months behind everyone else, including Widnes. But to be fair, I didn't think we would get in half as many potentially decent signings as we have.

Your particular brand of rumour-mongering lacks verisimilitude, simply because it's so relentlessly one-sided. Do you sit next to the players at Costa Coffee?

I bet you don’t, certainly not using words like that!

It's none of the above.... Who wants a clue?

Well Moore is being pushed out so who is the other one?

Me

Mr Hyde from what I understand. Apparently his attitude is the reason following an argument with Kear at the end of last season.

I haven't seen anything in Hyde that makes me worried he might be leaving to be honest. Moore I don't mind either way, Davey I would be very disappointed if he left.

Nail on head

Which was there for all to see during the under 20s match before we took on Leeds a Headingley.

Have to agree about Hyde - he had one decent game last season and in all honesty, despite have a cracking chin, is unlikely to make it at SL level.

Sounds like Mr Agar has had to make some of the tough calls that Mr Kear avoided due to our desperate situation.

mate. firstly i don't deal in rumour. check my posts if i say its going to happen , it happens.
unless i know what i am talking about, i keep my mouth shut. as for you mate . you don't impress me trying to big yourself up with a few big words , we all know a few of those. costa coffee remark. wow! how i laughed.