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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"The Pro's and Con's are irrelevant. One stadium is fundable as it stands and one isn't. If both had the necessary funding then this proposal wouldn't have even thought up.
I think this is what Box has planned. Chaos, with rival supporters having a willy waving contest with regards to who has the better site. It detracts from the shameful way WMDC has handled itself recently. How on earth can they say one thing less than 12 months ago then, after a lot of money has been spent by both parties, change the goalposts completely.'"
have you listened to yourself? Sorry but its both our clubs BoDs thats to blame they have failed us, Im sure Mr Box orchestrated the collapse of the world economy to hatch his materplan
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Good post I was about to say the same myself. I think Newmarket certainly beats Glasshoughton for traffic as the ESCAPE and Freeport will be there can you imagine the traffic 6000+ rugby fans watching a match and freeport shoppers and Escape what many familys go for a day out. Newmarket would win hands down on that front.'"
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Good post I was about to say the same myself. I think Newmarket certainly beats Glasshoughton for traffic as the ESCAPE and Freeport will be there can you imagine the traffic 6000+ rugby fans watching a match and freeport shoppers and Escape what many familys go for a day out. Newmarket would win hands down on that front.'"
The way in and out will primarily be from Jct31. take time to look at the[u "Approved[/u" plans, travel statements etc it's all there. |
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Great insight from a first class ,he seems to think it's all a evil underhand effort by Trinity to jump on all Cas' hard work to get a stadium,how far from the truth can you get. |
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| Quote ="Cas Man"Has Newmarket sorted out its yearly flooding issue yet?'"
All sorted out in the planning. |
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| Quote ="ambernotyeller"But he does tell a few truths and im sure you dont like to hear them, but its all getting us nowhere, ...'"
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| Quote ="binks"have you listened to yourself? Sorry but its both our clubs BoDs thats to blame they have failed us, Im sure Mr Box orchestrated the collapse of the world economy to hatch his materplan
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And can you just imagine if we had a guy in charge of WMDC who was a life long Trinity fan,Cas fans would be saying the same. |
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| Quote ="Cas Man"Has Newmarket sorted out its yearly flooding issue yet?'"
has cas sorted out its yearly fines for crowd trouble yet |
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| Quote ="trinity for life"has cas sorted out its yearly fines for crowd trouble yet'"
why so touchy, it was a genuine question, i drive through newmarket each day as i live in Cas and Work in Wakey.. |
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| Quote ="binks"have you listened to yourself? Sorry but its both our clubs BoDs thats to blame they have failed us, Im sure Mr Box orchestrated the collapse of the world economy to hatch his materplan
Give me suction ffs'"
You don't think changing the goal posts after a lot of money has been spent is not a crap thing to do? Wasting money maybe be acceptable in the public sector, but it's not in the private.
Of course thereised blame at the clubs door for not sorting it out sooner. However, Trinity have been trying to resolve the issue for at least six years. Cas maybe longer. Unless there is a football club involved or a supermarket it's not exactly an easy thing to achieve. |
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Quote ="RebelRebel"[iCouncil chiefs who met both clubs this week, suggested an independent assessment on both sites to establish which one was deliverable in the time-scale, and the most financially viable.[/i
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Deliverable in the time-scale - Glasshoughton
Most financially viable - with 1 parcel of land each against which to secure loans - Newmarket. With both parcels of land against which to secure loans - Glasshoughton (possibly / probably).
The clock's ticking down on the existence of a professional rugby league club within the City of Wakefield.'"
So it looks like Glasshoughton it is then.
In principle i dont have any issue with a ground share.
However im not convinced there will be any long term benefits to Wakefield Trinity if the share is at Glasshoughton and the same applies to Cas if the share was at Newmarket.
Which ever way the feasability study goes(i think Glasshoughton),its curtains for one of the clubs ,alternatively, within ten years it will be a merged club,which ironically i think will carry the name Wakefield.
Ultimately i think any ground share at either location will eventually result in the name of Castleford disappearing from top flight rugby league.
If one or both clubs refuse to share,then i presume the "promised land" option from the council will evaporate,leading to new stadia and both clubs ultimately out of top flight rugby.
Not much of a choice really,but i cant fathom why both developments are so reliant on a relatively small hand out from the council,when you look at the overall cost of a build and this handout is now seeing them backed into a corner. |
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Quote ="RebelRebel"[iCouncil chiefs who met both clubs this week, suggested an independent assessment on both sites to establish which one was deliverable in the time-scale, and the most financially viable.[/i
www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/ ... 6423611.jp
Deliverable in the time-scale - Glasshoughton
Most financially viable - with 1 parcel of land each against which to secure loans - Newmarket. With both parcels of land against which to secure loans - Glasshoughton (possibly / probably).
The clock's ticking down on the existence of a professional rugby league club within the City of Wakefield.'"
So it looks like Glasshoughton it is then.
In principle i dont have any issue with a ground share.
However im not convinced there will be any long term benefits to Wakefield Trinity if the share is at Glasshoughton and the same applies to Cas if the share was at Newmarket.
Which ever way the feasability study goes(i think Glasshoughton),its curtains for one of the clubs ,alternatively, within ten years it will be a merged club,which ironically i think will carry the name Wakefield.
Ultimately i think any ground share at either location will eventually result in the name of Castleford disappearing from top flight rugby league.
If one or both clubs refuse to share,then i presume the "promised land" option from the council will evaporate,leading to new stadia and both clubs ultimately out of top flight rugby.
Not much of a choice really,but i cant fathom why both developments are so reliant on a relatively small hand out from the council,when you look at the overall cost of a build and this handout is now seeing them backed into a corner. | |
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Has anyone not considered Mr box's real agenda here? Imo I think his real agenda is not to give anyone access to the 4 Million of loans. We are about to start the biggest public sector cuts since the second world war. Many people, a lot in front line service will lose there jobs. Under such circumstances it would be political suicide for the Labour party at a local level, to been seen funding these leisure facilities while the rest of the public are making major sacrifices to help balance the books. It might mean a lot to us die hard rugby fans but to the wider voting population it will draw little sympathy for either of our causes.
One minute Box talks about how spending priorities and budgets have to be slashed, next he effectively says the funding is still available as long as we agree. Of course that's very unlikely to happen so he will probably get to pull all the funding and not look like the bad guy. A win win for him, typical sly maneuvering that can only be expected from a politician.
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| Quote ="deeHell"typical sly maneuvering that can only be expected from a politician.'"
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Who cares... No merger or ground share unless it is at Newmarket and Cas come to us...
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| Quote ="deeHell"Has anyone not considered Mr box's real agenda here? Imo I think his real agenda is not to give anyone access to the 4 Million of loans. We are about to start the biggest public sector cuts since the second world war. Many people, a lot in front line service will lose there jobs. Under such circumstances it would be political suicide for the Labour party at a local level, to been seen funding these leisure facilities while the rest of the public are making major sacrifices to help balance the books. It might mean a lot to us die hard rugby fans but to the wider voting population it will draw little sympathy for either of our causes.
One minute Box talks about how spending priorities and budgets have to be slashed, next he effectively says the funding is still available as long as we agree. Of course that's very unlikely to happen so he will probably get to pull all the funding and not look like the bad guy. A win win for him, typical sly maneuvering that can only be expected from a politician.'"
What about both the sites which will create so many much needed jobs to the area. i hate mr box !!! |
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"What about both the sites which will create so many much needed jobs to the area. i hate mr box !!!'"
=#8040BFEmpty warehouses =/= jobs |
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working from within the construction industry, you would be surprised what you get for your money at the moment.
if cas were sorted, then it would be been built now, but isnt
if wakey was sorted then it would be been built now, but isnt
imo both have left it too late and this latest "we have everything sorted" by both clubs is a bit tiresome.
truth of the matter is, and probably one of the only things both sets of fans can agree on, is that whatever gets built will be death of the other.
this saga, the fact that i will not travel to glasshoughton to watch a "wakefield" home game (and i understand why cas fans won't travel to newmarket) will mean that me and my family will be lost to the game.
if i cannot watch wakefield in wakefield, then i will not watch RL at all.
sad day if this happens as i am currently a big follower of the game, but this will be the nail in the coffin.
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Incidently, if the Newmarket Stadium doesn't get built then WMDC are a guarantor for a loan the WDCT took out for the fee of the stadium designs. The value of the loan is £150k. More wasted money?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"The Pro's and Con's are irrelevant. One stadium is fundable as it stands and one isn't. If both had the necessary funding then this proposal wouldn't have even thought up.
I think this is what Box has planned. Chaos, with rival supporters having a willy waving contest with regards to who has the better site. It detracts from the shameful way WMDC has handled itself recently. How on earth can they say one thing less than 12 months ago then, [uafter a lot of money has been spent by both parties, [/uchange the goalposts completely.'"
Speaking in - "My dad's bigger than your dad" mode I think A lot of money has been spent by one party - Cas, and not much at all spent by the other -WTWC
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Incidently, if the Newmarket Stadium doesn't get built then WMDC are a guarantor for a loan the WDCT took out for the fee of the stadium designs. The value of the loan is £150k. More wasted money?'"
Beat me to it! |
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| Quote ="bigalf"Speaking in - "My dad's bigger than your dad" mode I think A lot of money has been spent by one party - Cas, and not much at all spent by the other -WTWC
In fact the money for your Design work is from a loan which is guaranteed by those bad people at WMDC'"
See above. Also I would imagine Yorkcourt will have spent a fair few bob too. |
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Incidently, if the Newmarket Stadium doesn't get built then WMDC are a guarantor for a loan the WDCT took out for the fee of the stadium designs. The value of the loan is £150k. More wasted money?'"
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"How many rail destinations travel to glasshoughton don't make me laugh !'"
Two or if your lucky three.
Leeds to Ponte or sometimes Goole.
With the wonderful service of on train every two hours on a Sunday.
Its a nightmare around there already with traffic. I have always said it would be a bad move to be a ground there.
I'm not a cas or wakey fan but have lived both in Glasshoughton and Newmarket. I can also see the issues with Newmarket which is why I would have gone for a shared ground at Europort.
Can any cas fan tell me why the work after 7 years has never started at glasshougton.
Have Cas sold the jungle? If not why not stay. 3 sides of the ground are semi decent. Just build a new main stand. plenty of land behind the old one. |
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"But you've just said you don't need it
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Where? I've never ever said we don't need it. It's pretty obvious the £2m from it is part of our funding package. If YOU don't need it, give it to Cas and let us have the £4m. |
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| Quote ="bigalf"It will only be wasted if WDCT do not pay it back to the Co Op Bank
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