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| Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat"So when does average joe six bellies get to see the plans and designs?
We should use that as a huge marketing tool to draw people back, get the watering at the mouth of the prospect of watching our team in the facilities we deserve!'"
Buy some shares and maybe you would have seen them already. Seriously its early days with plans at this stage so we don't need to get carried away, we can wait untill we have something
concrete before we use it has a marketing tool.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Just a couple of questions, firstly, were the shareholders aware before last night that BV had been sold at the end of 2007?
Secondly, the 1.7M received seems to have filled a rather large hole in the accounts - 1.2M? Does this mean that all the proceeds for the sale of BV can be used to finance the running of the club, or, is it classed as Capital, only to be used towards the financing of the new ground?'"
I had no idea, i would imagine we can use all the money to fund the team/club.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"I had no idea, i would imagine we can use all the money to fund the team/club.'" your a damn sight more optimistic than me
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"your a damn sight more optimistic than me'" And so are the other 6.77 billion inhabitants on this lovely planet we live on.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Buy some shares and maybe you would have seen them already. Seriously its early days with plans at this stage so we don't need to get carried away, we can wait untill we have something
concrete before we use it has a marketing tool.'"
I think i will mate.
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| Quote ="Barry Clegg 2nd"And so are the other 6.77 billion inhabitants on this lovely planet we live on.
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| Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat"I think i will mate.'"
I will have some shares too
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Buy some shares and maybe you would have seen them already. Seriously its early days with plans at this stage so we don't need to get carried away, we can wait untill we have something
concrete before we use it has a marketing tool.'"
So will you describe it? or at least tell me when if ever the common fan will get to see any designs.
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| Quote ="Sandal Wild Cat"So will you describe it? or at least tell me when if ever the common fan will get to see any designs.'" he'll be in bed getting his beauty sleep
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"The 10,000 average is a problem and I think its time for a serious look at the issues.
It is obvious to see that we have two growth areas in our crowds, the number of juniors who come to home matches and the number of fans we take to away games. The marketing / community department need a pat on the back for their work that has increased junior numbers year on year.
I think that the number of fans we take on away matches has increased because we now win a few away games, that many of the away games are played in clean, modern stadiums, where parking is good and most importantly we all sit together.
The home crowds are down mainly because many of the away support choose not to visit Belle Vue, poor parking, poor facilities, no cover etc. Ted and the board are busting a gut to get us the new ground that will solve this problem.
Away support at Belle Vue are often subjected to abuse etc, just read these message boards, people decide not to come to Belle Vue because they have had a poor experience. Lets be real, can you blame them. Many people choose Hull as the best ground and I love watching the game in the away end with all the Wakefield fans. Would I enjoy the experience if I had to sit infront of the Hull `chavs ` who sit in the corner. No it would be a much different experience, very unpleasant and one I would look to avoid.
It would be very difficult to offer away support a segregated area at Belle Vue. Leeds take 5,000 to Huddersfield and only 2000 to Belle Vue. Wigan take 3,000 to Hull and 850 to Belle Vue and we cannot blame them.
Our adult home support is not growing, many wait to see what the weather will be like, but many have decided that although the rugby is great, the facilities are poor and many people do not like the bad language and the drunken yobbishness that is often on show.
So we need, in my opinion a radical approach. Getting the new ground will be radical and again I cannot praise the board enough for their continued determination to deliver this.
I think that next season we should take half of our home games on the road. This will help us market Trinity to a wider group of people. We will be playing from better facilites where we can offer the away fans ( and our own fans ) a much better match day experience and segregation.
I would like to see us play say Catalans, Celtic and Harlequins at Dewsbury. Hull and Hull KR at Doncaster, Leeds, Wigan and Warrington at Barnsley.
Play Cas, Bradford, Saints and Salford at Belle Vue.
Whilst we are playing out of Belle Vue, no matter how well the team are doing we will never reach the 10,000 average. So lets be radical in order to improve the crowds, lets get this show on the road.... road trip.... road trip'"
I think you may have hit the nail on the head with this comment.
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| I'm a little lost!
In 2005ish we came out of the CVA and were supposedly debt free!
IIRC we then announced that we had made a small profit for the next two consecutive years.
Are we now saying that we have lost £1,2 Million over the last two/three years?
Also can someone explain the general design of the new stadium and site?
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| Quote ="Ossett Cat"BV was sold at the end of 2007 to a developer for approx £2.8M, of which £1.7M has already been rec'd and is showing in the accounts, there is another £1.1m due (presumably when we vacate the site. Ted said we can occupy BV till we move into a new ground...he didn't say what would happen if the new ground didn't come off.
The shareholders should be asking
1. Who are the developers and their directors that pre-purchased BV @ the end of 2007.
2. Why were the shareholders only informed of this 18 months later or is it just New World Thatcherism (trade marked and registered world wide in any forms)
It's not about having a go it's about time there was a bit more honesty from all sides including us the supporters.
It's about time that all parties now work together more than ever to deliver a team that's fitting of a better stage.
See it's never about where we play it's about who we are.
I rest my case m'lod
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| Shoot them .......................
Look I've just read my above post and I admit it was pretty heavy for me instead of my usual one liners.
So to try and difuse the situation with you all thinking about the above post. I thought I may try a quick one liner on you.
First thing in my head was John Wayne and a phrase "Shoot them Indians"
Absolute truth no word of a...
And that was my One Liner but I can't post it cos I'd be locked up for lesbianism or something.
p.s. I love this bold thang
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| Quote ="The Clan"I'm a little lost!
In 2005ish we came out of the CVA and were supposedly debt free!
IIRC we then announced that we had made a small profit for the next two consecutive years.
Are we now saying that we have lost £1,2 Million over the last two/three years?
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Remember reading that after 2006 when when kear had his first full season in charge we were expecting to make a loss due to having a large squad and also other projects. we were also expecting to make a loss for the year after aswell.
Cant see it adding up to £1.2 million tho
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In 2005ish we came out of the CVA and were supposedly debt free!
IIRC we then announced that we had made a small profit for the next two consecutive years.
Are we now saying that we have lost £1,2 Million over the last two/three years?
Also can someone explain the general design of the new stadium and site?'"
I think we had a CVA for 3.5 years from October 2000. So that would take us to around March / April 2004. These accounts were for the period to 31st Dec 2007 (I think), therefore we had over 3.5 years trading in that time. During that period we knowingly invested more into the playing and community aspects of the club - otherwise the business would not have been anywhere near the required standard for a franchise. All of this was done on the back of the fact that we had an asset value in BV which has now been converted into (partly) hard cash - and yes, I think we were running at around £300k+ down per annum for a while, so that would account for the defecit.
HTH
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| Quote ="The Trip"Why were the shareholders only informed of this 18 months later'"
The shareholders gave the board a mandate to do what they could to secure a new ground for the club - I guess that the sensitive nature of such is why it has taken it's time to get out. Shocking that it hasn't 'leaked' out before now, to be honest.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Minimum purchase is £100. I was lead to believe an application form could be downloaded from the website but I can't see anything. You could give the club a ring.'"
Has anyone rung the club to see how to go about buying some shares.
I would be interested in doing my little bit to help.
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| The shareholders should be asking
1. Who are the developers and their directors that pre-purchased BV @ the end of 2007.
Just a bit of honesty please.
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| Quote ="TRB"I think we had a CVA for 3.5 years from October 2000. So that would take us to around March / April 2004. These accounts were for the period to 31st Dec 2007 (I think), therefore we had over 3.5 years trading in that time. During that period we knowingly invested more into the playing and community aspects of the club - otherwise the business would not have been anywhere near the required standard for a franchise. All of this was done on the back of the fact that we had an asset value in BV which has now been converted into (partly) hard cash - and yes, I think we were running at around £300k+ down per annum for a while, so that would account for the defecit.
HTH'"
2 worries for me
I remember Rochdale selling the Athletic ground to help fund the club the rest is history I do not see how a small club with no sugar daddy can post losses of over 300K per season without getting into real trouble long term.
the 2nd can any of us see Wakefield averaging gates of 10,000 in the next 5 seasons never mind by 2012 I have always feared for one of Cas and us come 2012 and just can not see us both still being in after 2012 I also fear clubs like Widnes and Leigh will never be seriously looked at again
What happens when Quins and Celtic don’t get an average of even 5,000 by 2012
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| Quote ="The Trip"The shareholders should be asking
1. Who are the developers and their directors that pre-purchased BV @ the end of 2007.
Just a bit of honesty please.'"
The shareholders were told on Tuesday who the developers are.
Also the directors should be congratulated as the ground was sold at the peak of land/house values - if they had waited till now we would have got approximately half the amount
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"2 worries for me
I remember Rochdale selling the Athletic ground to help fund the club the rest is history I do not see how a small club with no sugar daddy can post losses of over 300K per season without getting into real trouble long term.
the 2nd can any of us see Wakefield averaging gates of 10,000 in the next 5 seasons never mind by 2012 I have always feared for one of Cas and us come 2012 and just can not see us both still being in after 2012 I also fear clubs like Widnes and Leigh will never be seriously looked at again
What happens when Quins and Celtic don’t get an average of even 5,000 by 2012'"
If what you say about Cas and Wakey comes true and I for one cant find an argument against it. Then as you say it would/should be virtually impossible for Widnes to get into SL purely on the location of their ground in relation to Warrington and St Helens and the proximity of the 3 grounds'
which are in actual fact closer than Cas, Fev and us. So if your fears' about us and Cas come true where exactly does that leave Widnes and to a slightly lesser extent Leigh?
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"2 worries for me
I remember Rochdale selling the Athletic ground to help fund the club the rest is history I do not see how a small club with no sugar daddy can post losses of over 300K per season without getting into real trouble long term.
the 2nd can any of us see Wakefield averaging gates of 10,000 in the next 5 seasons never mind by 2012 I have always feared for one of Cas and us come 2012 and just can not see us both still being in after 2012 I also fear clubs like Widnes and Leigh will never be seriously looked at again
What happens when Quins and Celtic don’t get an average of even 5,000 by 2012'"
That is quite right, but in this case it was a conscious decision to imporve the quality of the club - on and off the pitch. This started with the investment in Domic and Solomona - and although they have left, there is no doubting that we have improved on the pitch from the era up to 2003 and that we have become a lot more professional off the pitch since then too (that's not saying we still haven't a long way to go yet!).
10,000 gates is very much desireable - but I still think that will be limited to Wigan / Leeds / Saints (just) / Bradford / Hull / and possibly, by then, Huddersfield / Catalans and Wire - at best 8 clubs - at worst only 5 - not enough for SL. So whilst we need to aspire to that figure, it won't be the end of the world if we're not there.
As JK said on Tuesday - if your riding high in the top 4/6/8, then you'll have a good chance of being in!
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| Quote ="red white & blue"The shareholders were told on Tuesday who the developers are.
Also the directors should be congratulated as the ground was sold at the peak of land/house values - if they had waited till now we would have got approximately half the amount icon_biggrin.gif'"
Very true, but also very speculative, given that we don't as yet have another ground to move into (even if we all hope and assume that the Stanley project will be given the green light, this wasn't on the horizon in 2007).
Do we now lease the ground from said property developer? Who pays for maintenance/improvements to the ground in the meantime? How long can we stay there?
Whether there was a mandate to sell from the shareholders or not, it seems an odd way of going about the whole business - to me at any rate.
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| We stay in the ground as long as we need to and no leasing involved - it is still half ours!
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