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| Quote ="Terry Monster"He's absoulute crap and I for one am glad he wont be with us next season.'" well done agent Jefferies
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| Quote ="Terry Monster"He's absoulute crap and I for one am glad he wont be with us next season.'"
We thought that until we employed a coach
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| Quote ="Terry Monster"He's absoulute crap and I for one am glad he wont be with us next season.'"
I think you might need to look more at your "coach" rather than your players.
A decent coach would have put your team in the top 4 this season.
Given a choice who would you prefer to keep Jeffries or McNamara, absolutely no contest for me.
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| Welcome back Ben. I suspect your experience back at Trin will be a whole lot different playing outside Broughy than last time playing insider Rooney. Fitness allowing next years squad looks strong (if somewhat thin).
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| He's here to play at six with Broughy at seven.
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| Quote ="Fordy"I think you might need to look more at your "coach" rather than your players.
A decent coach would have put your team in the top 4 this season.
Given a choice who would you prefer to keep Jeffries or McNamara, absolutely no contest for me.'"
Jeffries is poor, Macca doesn't have anything to do with that.
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| Quote ="Terry Monster"Jeffries is poor, Macca doesn't have anything to do with that.'"
Well he keeps playing him for a start. Did he sign him as well?
Sounds a bit like Tony Smith after 'that' Hudds game, 'Well what do you want me to do about it?'
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| Quote ="Terry Monster"Jeffries is poor, Macca doesn't have anything to do with that.'"
Take away his try assists and you wouldn't still have a chance of the play-offs
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| Quote ="Terry Monster"Jeffries is poor, Macca doesn't have anything to do with that.'"
Macca wouldn't anything to do with Dave Halley at the start of this season. It took a superior coach like Kear to get his full potential out of him. Once his ability, under the guidance of Kear was demonstrated, Macca had him back like a shot. I have a feeling that Kear will get the best out of Ben, especially playing along side Broughy.
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| Think the Bradford fans are just upset that they will have to stick with Deacon for yet another season.
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| deacon and foreman a good combination macca is putting together.
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| Quote ="Terry Monster"Jeffries is poor, Macca doesn't have anything to do with that.'"
So poor that he has the 2nd best stats in the league for try assists and more than double your next best.
How well you would have done without him this season.
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| Quote ="deeHell"Macca wouldn't anything to do with Dave Halley at the start of this season. It took a superior coach like Kear to get his full potential out of him. Once his ability, under the guidance of Kear was demonstrated, Macca had him back like a shot. I have a feeling that Kear will get the best out of Ben, especially playing along side Broughy.'"
Agree he went from out of favour and could not get a game to Bulls fans screaming for his retrun to replace platt to signing a new contract with them.
Best move he made coming to Wakey for his Bulls career. McNamara seems to have his favourites and does not pick on merit.
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| Quote ="MR BROWN"deacon and foreman a good combination macca is putting together.'"
Paul and George?
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| Quote ="Fordy"So poor that he has the 2nd best stats in the league for try assists and more than double your next best.
How well you would have done without him this season.
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Whilst not being as obviously anti BJ as Terry, its not a coincedence that our return to form happened at the same time as Sykes took over at 6 from Ben. His try assists stat is also slightly misleading. He did well for sections of some games and often has made the last pass or put in the grubber, but his defence is awful and his attacking contribution goes awol all to often and he's not put in a complete 80 min performance all season IMHO. For every try assist there was a couple of crucial errors.
Too inconsistant for me at 6 (sound familar? almost word for word what you guys said when we signed him from you!)
Having said all that, he's been a good squad player for us overall and I wish him well at your place next season. And its a good bet that Kear might well get more out of him than McNamara has managed. You look to be putting together a decent squad for next year and you should be looking to challenge higher up the table if it all goes well. (And BTW Morrison if he stays fit will be awesome for you, never takes a backwards step and a natural leader, such a top player and a true gent, youv've signed a good 'un [iif [/ihe stays fit)
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| Quote ="Duckman"Whilst not being as obviously anti BJ as Terry, its not a coincedence that our return to form happened at the same time as Sykes took over at 6 from Ben. His try assists stat is also slightly misleading. He did well for sections of some games and often has made the last pass or put in the grubber, but his defence is awful and his attacking contribution goes awol all to often and he's not put in a complete 80 min performance all season IMHO. For every try assist there was a couple of crucial errors.
Too inconsistant for me at 6 (sound familar? almost word for word what you guys said when we signed him from you!)
Having said all that, he's been a good squad player for us overall and I wish him well at your place next season. And its a good bet that Kear might well get more out of him than McNamara has managed. You look to be putting together a decent squad for next year and you should be looking to challenge higher up the table if it all goes well.'"
A fair assessment and one which every Trinity fan will identify with.
He has the ability, but if we see it more then 10 times a season it will be an improvement over previous years. I think as a HB partner for Brough he would be ideal, he isn’t a play maker as such but is a very useful support player and I think the lack of a ‘domineering’ playing trait will suit Brough’s game and not counteract it as we saw at times with Drew. He is a known quantity to the club and has the potential to be a prolific scorer, as long as no one is expecting any significant improvement to what we’ve all seen since he’s been in SL then I think he will do just fine.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I think as a HB partner for Brough he would be ideal, he isn’t a play maker as such but is a very useful support player and I think the lack of a ‘domineering’ playing trait will suit Brough’s game and not counteract it as we saw at times with Drew.
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| Can't say I was thrilled when it was first rumoured, but I can at least see something in the argument that it may suit him in a partnership with Brough, who will clearly wear the trousers in that one. Similarly, I can see Brough and Newton being more complimentary than it was between Brough and Drew.
On top of that, it would take a serious reversal of our fortunes for me to not have faith in Kear's planning.
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| Quote ="bloomers"Can't say I was thrilled when it was first rumoured, but I can at least see something in the argument that it may suit him in a partnership with Brough, who will clearly wear the trousers in that one. Similarly, I can see Brough and Newton being more complimentary than it was between Brough and Drew.
On top of that, it would take a serious reversal of our fortunes for me to not have faith in Kear's planning.'"
The same argument for partnering Brough with BJ could be (and was) applied to partnering Brough with Rooney. I don't really see the gain in (effectively) replacing Rooney with Jeffries.
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| Quote ="SBR"The same argument for partnering Brough with BJ could be (and was) applied to partnering Brough with Rooney. I don't really see the gain in (effectively) replacing Rooney with Jeffries.'"
I'm not disagreeing with you monty, I'm trying to sell it to myself. If it makes a difference with BJ, his erratic form came every 4-5 games, weather permitting, where as Rooney's were longer periods of form interspersed with longer periods of injury and loss of form inbetween.
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| Quote ="SBR"The same argument for partnering Brough with BJ could be (and was) applied to partnering Brough with Rooney. I don't really see the gain in (effectively) replacing Rooney with Jeffries.'"
I agree with that.
The reason BJ was not so great before was because he was too similar to Rooney. He isn't an organising scrum half.
Partnered with Brough I think he could be really good.....but I thought Rooney was starting to look the same when he came back from injury.
Both will work well with Brough. Not quite Gregory and Edwards but the theme is the same
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| Quote ="PopTart"I agree with that.
The reason BJ was not so great before was because he was too similar to Rooney. He isn't an organising scrum half.
Partnered with Brough I think he could be really good.....but I thought Rooney was starting to look the same when he came back from injury.
Both will work well with Brough. Not quite Gregory and Edwards but the theme is the same'"
I see what you're saying, I think Ben will be a good support player whilst Brough gets us around the field.
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| Still would have prefered Grix there though.'"
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| in jk i trust..enough said!
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| I do trust in JK's judgement but (unusually) I'm certainly not excited at the thought of a repeat BJ!!! I appreciate that not every signing is going to take my breath away as it is a squad we are building BUT when he last donned the sacred jersey I did have concerns about Ben's defeatist and down beat body language on the field...and his kicks to touch from penalties were truly appalling. Going to trust JK but its one of the less convincing bits of transfer activity over the last few weeks...
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