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| Quote ="The Clan"No Funding and almost all avenues of securing immediately securing funding exhausted! Glasshoughton.'"
=#8000FFAs I just said in a previous post, that is a myth and Cas do have the money and the no money myth is just something Wakey fans are clinging onto with everything they have.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFAs I just said in a previous post, that is a myth and Cas do have the money and the no money myth is just something Wakey fans are clinging onto with everything they have.
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Where's Cas's funding coming from?
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| Quote ="The Clan"No Funding and almost all avenues of securing immediately securing funding exhausted! Glasshoughton.
I know you've been off on one regarding the Newmarket funding package but as I said in an earlier post, the funding is identified via York Court, What remains of the funds from the sale of Belle Vue and various grants that have already been tested for successful securing of the funds available.'"
So who has told you we have no funding? Have you heard that directly or is that hearsay on here?
It is pretty obvious to me that neither has the full amount of money or the council wouldn't be contemplating a groundshare, simples.
If Wakefield had identified all of the money and over it AND SECURED it, then the council could take back the original piece of land offered and give it to Cas.
Anyway, it's pretty fruitless us going over old ground. It serves no purpose and ultimatey, it won't be us making the decision.
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| not looking good this for either of us frankly.
I dont like the bit about identified grants we can bid for etc, since this new govt they have more or less disappeared, especially capital grants, see BSF etc.
To be honest I can see a feasability study saying neither is buildable and / or sustainable, thought that for a while but decided against posting it as i would get lynched.
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| Quote ="dids858"How much more time do Castleford need when I lived there 7 years ago you were just about start building the ground.
Ditto for WAKEY, HOW MANY SITES IS IT NOW ????????
All this inter club bickering is doing no-one any favours, blaming a councillor who follows one club for the trouble both clubs are in is just stupid.
Look at the facts Wakey have funding but have a fight with the green belt cowboys and so called Nimbys along with the might of Leeds council (though what the feck it has to do with them) against Newmarket, whilst Cas have the groundwork done and the outline planning (not due to expire as waystone have signed the needed documents) and architects working on the design, but have a shortfall in funding.
The council say they are going to make a decision over which plan to adopt, if we want Superleague it has to be Glasshoughton due to the timescale fighting off all the objectors at newmarket. If were not bothered about Superleague then it will be Newmarket as its apparrently paid for.
What I would like to hear is , that if one or the other is picked, does the remaining scheme go on the back burner for development in the future ( which means a temp share) or will it be scrapped ( which means the end of one or both clubs when the Clowns at red hall insist on the merger)
I think we (both clubs) are in a no win situation and should just carry on as we were not be ruled by some spurious council decision.
Scary isnt it ???
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| Quote ="Fully"So who has told you we have no funding? Have you heard that directly or is that hearsay on here?
It is pretty obvious to me that neither has the full amount of money or the council wouldn't be contemplating a groundshare, simples.
If Wakefield had identified all of the money and over it AND SECURED it, [uthen the council could take back the original piece of land offered and give it to Cas.[/u
Anyway, it's pretty fruitless us going over old ground. It serves no purpose and ultimatey, it won't be us making the decision.'"
But you've just said you don't need it
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| Quote ="owiepob"Do I have this right. WMDC's position is now that they will throw the weight of the [u2 pieces of land behind one stadium only[/u (rather than their previous position of splitting the land to support both stadiums). [u They will decide which of the 2 plans they will throw it behind based on a feasibility study.[/u The [uclub with the unfeasible stadium are left with a share or go it alone situation[/u.'"
Thats about the size of it, IMO they have no right to go back on the agreement unless they are willing to refund any costs incurred by all parties.
Could well be we've been walked down the garden path and thrown in a puddle
Its not over till the large lady sings.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFOr, if you look at it from a neutral point of view, if you compared both sites:
Better road links? Glasshoughton
Better rail links? Glasshoughton
Better commercial area? Glasshoughton
Furthest along in development? Glasshoughton
Least objectors? Glasshoughton
From the councils point of view, it would be much less hassle, and much better financially, commercially and in terms of less opposition, Glasshoughton is the only choice they can look at.
The fact Box is a Cas fan is nothing to do with it, the fact is the Council has just lost 70m thanks to idiots voting for "Dave" and has left them with NO option but to go with the one stadium that is much better in terms of everything mentioned.'"
Didn't want to get to involved in this just yet but that is a reckless and biased post. Talk about I'm alright Jack.
Better road links? Both identical, both are slip roads of the M62, what are you talking about
Better rail links? How many Wakey or Cas fans need a rail link, it is after all a stadium for Wakefield rate payers.
Better commercial area? What has this got to do with anything?
Furthest along in development? In your dreams.
Least objectors? Glasshoughton, agreed but the objections to Newmarket are pretty limited.
As for hassle for the Council, both are privately funded other than the land for security issue so where is the hassle greater on one than the other?
You're grasping at straws, again.
Truth is, both are feasible if Box plays it fair - big chance of that happening.
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| Quote ="vastman"Didn't want to get to involved in this just yet but that is a reckless and biased post. Talk about I'm alright Jack.
Better road links? Both identical, both are slip roads of the M62, what are you talking about
Better rail links? How many Wakey or Cas fans need a rail link, it is after all a stadium for Wakefield rate payers.
Better commercial area? What has this got to do with anything?
Furthest along in development? In your dreams.
Least objectors? Glasshoughton, agreed but the objections to Newmarket are pretty limited.
As for hassle for the Council, both are privately funded other than the land for security issue so where is the hassle greater on one than the other?
You're grasping at straws, again.
Truth is, both are feasible if Box plays it fair - big chance of that happening.'"
Good post I was about to say the same myself. I think Newmarket certainly beats Glasshoughton for traffic as the ESCAPE and Freeport will be there can you imagine the traffic 6000+ rugby fans watching a match and freeport shoppers and Escape what many familys go for a day out. Newmarket would win hands down on that front.
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| Quote ="vastman"Better road links? Both identical, both are slip roads of the M62, what are you talking about'"
=#8000FFHow many roads go INTO Newmarket?
Quote ="vastman"Better rail links? How many Wakey or Cas fans need a rail link, it is after all a stadium for Wakefield rate payers.'"
=#8000FFAway fans, or are they not allowed to come to games anymore?
not to mention a lot of home fans go to games by train.
Quote ="vastman"Better commercial area? What has this got to do with anything?'"
=#8040FFSPONSORS, if you haven't noticed, now a days in RL, teams have writing and logos on the kits, advertising company's in return for money, having a stadium next to the 2nd most visited visitor attraction in the UK will enhance potential sponsorship deals.
Quote ="vastman"As for hassle for the Council, both are privately funded other than the land for security issue so where is the hassle greater on one than the other?'"
=#8000FFObjectors, Newmarket possibly getting called in for Government review etc, none of this would happen at Glasshoughton
Quote ="vastman"You're grasping at straws, again.
Truth is, both are feasible if Box plays it fair - big chance of that happening.'"
=#8000FFSounds a hell of a lot like you're clutching at straws, but I expect nothing else from you.
Both MIGHT be feasible, but only if Leeds council don't get their way with the kicking & screaming about Newmarket.
Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Good post I was about to say the same myself. I think Newmarket certainly beats Glasshoughton for traffic as the ESCAPE and Freeport will be there can you imagine the traffic 6000+ rugby fans watching a match and freeport shoppers and Escape what many familys go for a day out. Newmarket would win hands down on that front.'"
=#8000FF5 roads into the area, 3 of which have 2 lanes so 9 lanes for traffic, that is a lot of road for people to get in, what is ESCAPE? and Freeport for that matter?
There have already been the road studies, with the new road being put in diverting traffic there will be far less traffic jams then you are trying to make out, but as I remember one of the main complaints about Newmarket is...traffic.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFAs I just said in a previous post, that is a myth and Cas do have the money and the no money myth is just something Wakey fans are clinging onto with everything they have.
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if cas have the money why havent they started building yet and why have they come out this morning(seen on sky sports news)that they back the plan to ground share surley since they already have planning permission and has you say they have the money why would they need to back the ground share
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| Have you seen the plans for Newmarket ???? I don't think so you have obviously not seen the link roads to the ground and also a free park and ride bus service its perfect.
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| Quote ="binks"Did Wakefield council not bail out Wakey when they sold you the ground for a pound ! How much did that 1 pound bet earn you'"
I dont know if they bought out wakefield but i certainly remember the £1.00 ground selling exercise, but that wont be relevant here as it does'nt suit the slant of this thread plus i dont think the wildcats like to talk about it.
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| Vastman wrote: Quote Better road links? Both identical, both are slip roads of the M62, what are you talking about
Better rail links? How many Wakey or Cas fans need a rail link, it is after all a stadium for Wakefield rate payers.
Better commercial area? What has this got to do with anything?
Furthest along in development? In your dreams.
Least objectors? Glasshoughton, agreed but the objections to Newmarket are pretty limited.
As for hassle for the Council, both are privately funded other than the land for security issue so where is the hassle greater on one than the other?
You're grasping at straws, again.'"
1) Newmarket has 1 road in - Glasshoughton has 2 roads each from seperate Motorway junctions 32 and 31
2) Glasshougton has a Railway Station on the door step 5 min walk away (Lots of away supporters travel by rail) - Newmarket has no rail link
So how are both identical?
1) Glasshoughton has outline planning permission and will get full permission
2) Newmarket will be lucky to get any permission and if it does it will be too late for WTW but Yorkcourt will be happy.
I think it's you grasping at straws!
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| Quote ="bigalf"
Its just like listening to the kids on the XBOX. My dad's bigger than yours etc.
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| Quote ="bigalf"Vastman wrote:1) Newmarket has 1 road in - Glasshoughton has 2 roads each from seperate Motorway junctions 32 and 31
2) Glasshougton has a Railway Staiton on the door step 5 min walk away (Lots of away supporters travel by rail) - Newmarket has no rail link
So how are both identical?
1) Glasshoughton has outline planning permission and will get full permission
2) Newmarket will be lucky to get any permission and if it does it will be too late for WTW but Yorkcourt will be happy.
I think it's you grasping at straws!'"
How many rail destinations travel to glasshoughton don't make me laugh !
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8040FFThis is just something Wakefield fans like to think when in fact the funding is there, hence 175k going to architects for plans. The "lack of funding" is just something fabricated by a Wakey or Fev fan on here and has pretty much zero substance.'"
For gods sake man what planet are you living on, the only reason the stadium at Glasshoughton isnt up already is because theres no money, do you think if Cas had the money they would be talking about a shared stadium
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[iCouncil chiefs who met both clubs this week, suggested an independent assessment on both sites to establish which one was deliverable in the time-scale, and the most financially viable.[/i
www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/ ... 6423611.jp
Deliverable in the time-scale - Glasshoughton
Most financially viable - with 1 parcel of land each against which to secure loans - Newmarket. With both parcels of land against which to secure loans - Glasshoughton (possibly / probably).
The clock's ticking down on the existence of a professional rugby league club within the City of Wakefield.
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[iCouncil chiefs who met both clubs this week, suggested an independent assessment on both sites to establish which one was deliverable in the time-scale, and the most financially viable.[/i
www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/ ... 6423611.jp
Deliverable in the time-scale - Glasshoughton
Most financially viable - with 1 parcel of land each against which to secure loans - Newmarket. With both parcels of land against which to secure loans - Glasshoughton (possibly / probably).
The clock's ticking down on the existence of a professional rugby league club within the City of Wakefield.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"How many rail destinations travel to glasshoughton don't make me laugh !'"
Its called a railway - you know how they work (or do you?) - You get atrain from huddersfield (for example) to leeds then another train to Glasshoughton. See its easy!
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| Quote ="vastman"Didn't want to get to involved in this just yet but that is a reckless and biased post. Talk about I'm alright Jack.
Better road links? Both identical, both are slip roads of the M62, what are you talking about'"
The A1? It's hardly a massive distance mind.
Quote Better rail links? How many Wakey or Cas fans need a rail link, it is after all a stadium for Wakefield rate payers. '"
Possibly those without a car? I'm sure in these tough economic climes plenty have got rid of them.
Quote Better commercial area? What has this got to do with anything? '"
The sustainability of the clubs as businesses there? The commercial value of the clubs and the attraction of the area to families.
Quote Furthest along in development? In your dreams. '"
Well, the facts are that one has outline planning permission, the other doesn't. One has architectural drawings being unveiled in three weeks, the other doesn't.
Quote Least objectors? Glasshoughton, agreed but the objections to Newmarket are pretty limited. '"
Apart from Leeds CC, local action groups and environmental health, I suppose so.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Newmarket certainly beats Glasshoughton for traffic as the ESCAPE and Freeport will be there can you imagine the traffic 6000+ rugby fans watching a match and freeport shoppers and Escape what many familys go for a day out. Newmarket would win hands down on that front.'"
Got me there, Im sure loads of rugby league fans would just love to visit Newmarket and take a tour round the empty industrial units (if they get built) rather than a look round escape and a few bevvies before the game then out to Nandos or any of the other eateries after the game followed by a bit of shopping to pacify her , then a leisurely train journey home.
You cant beat empty industrial units for a family day out nosirreee
As an outsider, what do you think of the human race ?
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| The Pro's and Con's are irrelevant. One stadium is fundable as it stands and one isn't. If both had the necessary funding then this proposal wouldn't have even thought up.
I think this is what Box has planned. Chaos, with rival supporters having a willy waving contest with regards to who has the better site. It detracts from the shameful way WMDC has handled itself recently. How on earth can they say one thing less than 12 months ago then, after a lot of money has been spent by both parties, change the goalposts completely.
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| My gut feeling is that neither will get the support/approval needed to build a stadium and we will both end up in NL1 - if we are lucky. At least we might have another derby vs Fev to look forward to and we ain't too far from Batley & Dewsbury.
Meanwhile, in comes another French team (Tolouse?) to the SL. Perfect for the RFL!!
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But he does tell a few truths and im sure you dont like to hear them, but its all getting us nowhere, just a thought , let both clubs resign from Superleague to save them the trouble of getting rid of both of us , and get rid they will , both clubs , just as soon as a franchise is ready in scotland or italy or even timbuickfeckintoo.
Both clubs and fev need to keep their own identities and keep the sport alive in the area , whilst red hall do their best to kill the game as it stands .
Maybe its time for a breakaway league..... it worked last time
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But he does tell a few truths and im sure you dont like to hear them, but its all getting us nowhere, just a thought , let both clubs resign from Superleague to save them the trouble of getting rid of both of us , and get rid they will , both clubs , just as soon as a franchise is ready in scotland or italy or even timbuickfeckintoo.
Both clubs and fev need to keep their own identities and keep the sport alive in the area , whilst red hall do their best to kill the game as it stands .
Maybe its time for a breakaway league..... it worked last time
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