To clarify, I was specifically referring to the UK and not any other country. Secondly I meant to say they don't spread anywhere near as severe like they do in a UK Winter season. Thidly if you dont believe deaths are higher from respiratory diseases in a UK winter season go to the ONS site and download the data as its all there to support my view. Fourthly I don't assert the virus spreads in relation to temperature, I strongly believe they spread from seasonal changes in the weather I.e. summer to winter. This might help you understand Brazil's growth in numbers - April to September is there low season (currently in the middle of winter, June & July). I've not done any detailed research into Brazil so it would be unfair of me to comment on them any further. But for a country with a population three times our size they are doing much better than us based on the death figures.

It's interesting that no one, not least those who constantly spout "death" figures, have responded to the video (I posted the info) of New York Nurse Erin Marie Olszewski.
Feel free to de-bunk her personal front line experience before espousing endless quotes on death figures from the MSM.
Also of great interest is the comments from around the world in the section below the video. Not just New York.

Also the links I posted of doctors disputing, again their personal experience, how many of those figures have been arrived at.

Do you want to put those couple of videos against the endless,, endless videos of doctors bemoaning the numbers of covid cases or refrigerated trailers lined up outside hospitals and funeral places in the states.
You're examples may be proven right, although it seems unlikely at the moment and we now have countries like Spain, deliberately under reporting the numbers so that they can open up their ecconomy.
We will have the same over here very soon, with the 2 metre distancing being "relaxed" to allow businesses to function more easily

Yes, I certainly do. What do you mean a "couple"? You do realize that many, many videos from Doctors, scientists, virologists etc. have been taken down by the media companies because they oppose the official narrative?. Yet Bill Gates, 17 year old Greta Thunderburg (sic) not in any of those professions, can say anything he / she wants?
PS the video of Erin was taken down too but re posted elsewhere.
They too down a video from a front line nurse??? Shame, I hear you saying.

Perhaps the most worrying thing currently, is what's going on in Beijing right now, that's if of course what you read is reliable and therefore truthful........

Yes there are good arguments for rewarding some sections of society, but Can you tell me how the government will be able to sort out the future financial problems that the virus has caused. The furlough payment, the unemployment benefits being paid now, let alone to be paid in a few weeks when lockdown ends, and there’s a lot of jobs disappearing. Loss of tax revenues. Already the Chancellor is discussing removing the so called triple lock from the state pension, the pensioners are probably the most vulnerable group in the country. I’ve mentioned on another post, I think the government will need to put billions more into the economy, to create jobs, and infrastructure, taxes will be increased, and I hope those tax dodgers will be chased up. Anyone who has the answer, please contact Boris.

[iOlszewski, the founder of an anti-vaccination group in Florida, is also publishing a book about her experiences at the hospital and has a GoFundMe that seeks to raise $150,000 on the basis of her claims.[/i

This Erin Marie Olsewski? Never let a good crisis go to waste, indeed. I'd say she was an out-and-out fraud trying to make a quick buck. She's no more credible than a scammer. But, whatever gets you through your 'free-thinking' day.

I've read some of the comments on Olszewski videos. They range from "Because covid-19 doesn't exist. It's a global hoax to bring a global dictatorship." to "There is a pyramid of power in the world. This pandemic was planned a long time ago. Bill Gates talked about population reduction through vaccination in 2015. In a dollar bill there is a picture of a pyramide and one eye inside of it with words "new world order" in latin beneath it." Cranks who have just wasted about 5 minutes of my day!

The bit in bold. It's pretty easy for sockpuppets to shower social media with this sort of thing. My wife works in the NHS and she is part of a Covid frontline group. It started off pretty normal. Experiences were being shared and concerns were being voiced by what looked to be genuine NHS workers. Then, when talk of getting the economy back open began, new users started popping up who were saying the virus wasn't as bad as everyone was making out. When the media started reporting on a second wave these same users, and a few more new ones, started to post that what we have just had was probably the second wave, as the virus had probably been with us since last Autumn. It was all very coincidental. There was no talk of this before mention of opening the economy and a second wave.

Now, let me ask you this. I'm guessing you're one of those poeple who 'thinks for himself' and doesn't listen to the 'MSM'? What makes you trust single random people, who just pop up on the internet out of nowhere, even more? It sounds to me like you're wanting to find a conspiracy in all of this, and are just looking for anyone who will confirm your suspicions.

Well for a start Jacob Rees-Mogg could start paying his taxes.....

To quote one of your earlier posts, they'll just have to "accept responsibility for themselves".

Bloody well put, sir

I was referring to his hypocrisy.
Clapping for the NHS (long before he was taken ill) but, part of a government that CHOSE to squeeze those at the bottom of the pile and freeze the wages of those who we have had to rely on for the last 3/4 months.
You want hypocrisy. Well, you have it right there.

I think what is most likely is an easing of restrictions too quickly and there will be the predicted "second wave" and I have no idea what strategy will be chosen at that point.
Yes, there will have to be tax rises and inevitably, especially with a Tory government, those lowest down the pecking order, will be squeezed the most.
Somebody posted on here that the political parties and politicians "are all the same" - you and I know that they are not.
We had the tag line of "all in this together" during the May era but, clearly we weren't and we never will be.

I’m sure you’ll find the pensioners of this country are pro the most responsible group in our society. Perhaps you, or your parents fall into this category. I apologise in advance if your parents aren’t longer with you.

So you didn't watch the video and cherry picked a few silly comments. Well done you. In fact I have little doubt some of those comments were put there just to discredit the video.

A front line nurse is now a "single random person who pops out of nowhere". No, she pops out of the Elmhurst Hospital in New York. She served as a nurse in Iraq and was asked by FEMA to transfer her skills from Florida to NY, so hardly "random".

Sockpuppet, out and out fraud?. Your evidence that she DID NOT work at that hospital?? ? Your more into character assassination than bothering to see the evidence she has. Typical reaction in this day and age.

Ah, so you see how easy it is to create sockpuppet accounts to discredit things posted online.

I don't doubt she worked in the hospital. What I am questioning is her motive. Is she doing this for the good of the human race, or has she got dollar signs flashing in her eyes? It's interesting to note that the news outlets who seem to have gone for the story are Fox News and Alex Jones' Infowars. The last bastions of truth!

Will you be buying Olszewski's book? Have you donated to her GoFundMe?

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I believe you King Street Cat. Well said. Did I ever tell you I believe in a flat earth and one eyed monsters.. *


There, that's your posts discredited.

Ah, so now she isn't an "out and out fraud".
Make your mind up.
Let your wife watch the video. She may not believe her but by god, Erins medical knowledge hardly makes her out to be a "sockpuppet"

I don't know about this crowdfunding but seeing as she was brave enough to be a whistlblower and loses her career as a result, maybe she's needs the money simply to live.

Ah..but.........no I won't, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Eh ?

I think you need to do a bit more digging into 'Scarin' Marie'. There are so many questions over her, her statements, her past, and her motives.

Tell you something, I’m looking forward for the opportunity to buy Tim Tams at a reasonable price.

Quote ="King Street Cat":1mu8qy5xI think you need to do a bit more digging into 'Scarin' Marie'. There are so many questions over her, her statements, her past, and her motives.'" :1mu8qy5x Seach no 1 https://www.change.org/p/florida-state- ... propaganda However, a Registered Nurse in the great state of Florida by the name of Erin Marie Olszewski, but for the sake of this post we shall refer to her as Scarin' Marie. She is a well-known attention-seeking blogger who has gone to NYC under the rouse of working on the front lines. However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading misinformation, accusing dedicated doctors and nurses of purposely murdering their patients in cold blood. What she hasn't told us, is that she has a long history of extremist views and has a very deep thirst for attention. In fact, she has only held Florida licensure as a Registered Nurse for only several years.... but yet she seems to to be a self-proclaimed expert on many subjects and has falsely accused healthcare providers with decades of clinical experience of participating in some sort of conspiracy theory. Do not stand for this. This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers who hav died and the tens of thousands of HCW's across the county who have selflessly sacrificed their safety to care for others. Demand an investigation now. :1mu8qy5xSoooo lets see ..".A thirst for attention"......"Extremist views"......."Held Florida lecensure as a registered nurse for only several years" ???/ whaaa?.............."Self proclaimed expert..." "However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading [i:1mu8qy5xmisinformation"[/i:1mu8qy5x =#804080:1mu8qy5x No proof here that what she reported was "misinformation.":1mu8qy5x and here is the well worn pull on your emotions. "This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers " No mate, nothing there of any substance. Couldn't even tell us where she lied, despite the headline

Quote ="King Street Cat":1mu8qy5xI think you need to do a bit more digging into 'Scarin' Marie'. There are so many questions over her, her statements, her past, and her motives.'" :1mu8qy5x Seach no 1 https://www.change.org/p/florida-state- ... propaganda However, a Registered Nurse in the great state of Florida by the name of Erin Marie Olszewski, but for the sake of this post we shall refer to her as Scarin' Marie. She is a well-known attention-seeking blogger who has gone to NYC under the rouse of working on the front lines. However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading misinformation, accusing dedicated doctors and nurses of purposely murdering their patients in cold blood. What she hasn't told us, is that she has a long history of extremist views and has a very deep thirst for attention. In fact, she has only held Florida licensure as a Registered Nurse for only several years.... but yet she seems to to be a self-proclaimed expert on many subjects and has falsely accused healthcare providers with decades of clinical experience of participating in some sort of conspiracy theory. Do not stand for this. This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers who hav died and the tens of thousands of HCW's across the county who have selflessly sacrificed their safety to care for others. Demand an investigation now. :1mu8qy5xSoooo lets see ..".A thirst for attention"......"Extremist views"......."Held Florida lecensure as a registered nurse for only several years" ???/ whaaa?.............."Self proclaimed expert..." "However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading [i:1mu8qy5xmisinformation"[/i:1mu8qy5x =#804080:1mu8qy5x No proof here that what she reported was "misinformation.":1mu8qy5x and here is the well worn pull on your emotions. "This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers " No mate, nothing there of any substance. Couldn't even tell us where she lied, despite the headline

Quote ="Miro"Seach no 1 https://www.change.org/p/florida-state- ... propaganda However, a Registered Nurse in the great state of Florida by the name of Erin Marie Olszewski, but for the sake of this post we shall refer to her as Scarin' Marie. She is a well-known attention-seeking blogger who has gone to NYC under the rouse of working on the front lines. However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading misinformation, accusing dedicated doctors and nurses of purposely murdering their patients in cold blood. What she hasn't told us, is that she has a long history of extremist views and has a very deep thirst for attention. In fact, she has only held Florida licensure as a Registered Nurse for only several years.... but yet she seems to to be a self-proclaimed expert on many subjects and has falsely accused healthcare providers with decades of clinical experience of participating in some sort of conspiracy theory. Do not stand for this. This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers who hav died and the tens of thousands of HCW's across the county who have selflessly sacrificed their safety to care for others. Demand an investigation now. Soooo lets see ..".A thirst for attention"......"Extremist views"......."Held Florida lecensure as a registered nurse for only several years" ???/ whaaa?.............."Self proclaimed expert..." and here is the well worn pull on your emotions. "This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers " No mate, nothing there of any substance. Couldn't even tell us where she lied, despite the headline. In fact generally it could pertain to many well known activists, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mandela, the list is endless. I shall search for more on "scarin Marie"'" Could only find three, and 2 of those on facebook..Sorry, don't do facebook. Maybe you could hi light the terrible things she has done.....from facebook. Actually, the guy I quoted. I did look on his youtube post after I watched Erin's video Headline I DE BUNK etc. etc. You see, I was prepared to listen to an opposing view. But sadly, no facts just, like you, a general character assassination. Come on mate, you can do better than this...

Quote ="Miro"Seach no 1 https://www.change.org/p/florida-state- ... propaganda However, a Registered Nurse in the great state of Florida by the name of Erin Marie Olszewski, but for the sake of this post we shall refer to her as Scarin' Marie. She is a well-known attention-seeking blogger who has gone to NYC under the rouse of working on the front lines. However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading misinformation, accusing dedicated doctors and nurses of purposely murdering their patients in cold blood. What she hasn't told us, is that she has a long history of extremist views and has a very deep thirst for attention. In fact, she has only held Florida licensure as a Registered Nurse for only several years.... but yet she seems to to be a self-proclaimed expert on many subjects and has falsely accused healthcare providers with decades of clinical experience of participating in some sort of conspiracy theory. Do not stand for this. This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers who hav died and the tens of thousands of HCW's across the county who have selflessly sacrificed their safety to care for others. Demand an investigation now. Soooo lets see ..".A thirst for attention"......"Extremist views"......."Held Florida lecensure as a registered nurse for only several years" ???/ whaaa?.............."Self proclaimed expert..." and here is the well worn pull on your emotions. "This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers " No mate, nothing there of any substance. Couldn't even tell us where she lied, despite the headline. In fact generally it could pertain to many well known activists, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mandela, the list is endless. I shall search for more on "scarin Marie"'" Could only find three, and 2 of those on facebook..Sorry, don't do facebook. Maybe you could hi light the terrible things she has done.....from facebook. Actually, the guy I quoted. I did look on his youtube post after I watched Erin's video Headline I DE BUNK etc. etc. You see, I was prepared to listen to an opposing view. But sadly, no facts just, like you, a general character assassination. Come on mate, you can do better than this...

The 0.2% figure is the current estimate I've arrived at doing some research across the medical spectrum.
This represents the fatality percentage rate of an average population that will die from coming into contact with the virus.
In other words '2 in every 1000 people' will die compared to the seasonal flu, estimated lower at '1 in every 1000'.
As it stands, its therefore twice as deadly as the seasonal flu. However as we all know this virus is not the flu; it targets more of the elderly demographic and its affects on the human body are different to that of the flu.
Nevertheless this is good news as it's way lower than the scaremongering media predicted between, last time I checked the WHO estimated 30 - 50 people would die in every 1000 (3 - 5%).
Another measure is the infection mortality percentage rate, this will obviously be much lower because not all the general population have come across the virus yet. The UK is currently at 0.06% (even though we've performed really poorly).
In terms of infectious nature of the disease, it appears to be more infectious than the flu but with this being a coronavirus I'd expect this to be the case.
I still need to find out how this can be calculated as there doesn't seem to be any mass anti body testing being undertaken to measure the speed of transmission and the actual numbers of people that have come into contact with it.
We can however look at the Flu estimates, which predict up to 5 million people in the world can be severely affected by the flu in one year.
Currently there are globally 8,313,703 confirmed cases of COVID, of this number i've not managed to determine how many of them would be defined as severe.
Again, more information is needed on the severity of the confirmed COVID cases and infectious nature of the disease compared to the flu. I'll keep digging for answers when I find the time, bit difficult as I'm working full time again now. Please note, I accept any comparison with the flu is flawed, but I've got to use the estimates provided even if they are based on unreliable models. I've nothing else to go off and the medical centres have never performed flu tests on the industrial like scale for COVID19.
As for current COVID rates, peak infection for respiratory diseases usually last up to 70 days then it will naturally tail off regardless of many interventions. Fingers crossed most of the countries across the world are of the woods.

It's usually me who gets accused of conjuring up conspiracy theories lol
Do you have any EVIDENCE to support these claims?
Reason for drop in to 1 metre is because they over estimated the severity of the disease lol Look at countries with the 1 metre rule they are performing way better than us.

Well, Matt Hancock just broke his own social distancing rule and doesn’t have the b******* excuse of “testing his eyesight”. Wonder if Patel is quick to criticise as she did with the BLM? What a circus this Government is.