5/6 posts and you've made more sense than the rest of us

After reading the Express Mr Box refuses to put 2 million pound into each development I find this extremely harsh. Both developments will help communities a great deal and help the region with there developments i.e. both clubs and each development will create so many jobs to the areas. Just think what the council have spent stupid money on over the years they spent 7 million on that awful market stall next to the bus station thats ruined most of the market traders trade, god knows how many million on the bridge in CAS and now they are saying 2 million for each development isn't possible I think its disgusting personally both developments will bring more positives than negatives. ITS APPAULING AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE A RE-THINK !

Not long pal, not long at all.

The timing of this stinks and can lead to no other conclusion than Box’s manipulation of the circumstances to achieve his own ends.

The press release has been released, by Box, in spite of an agreement not to do so without the full knowledge and approval of all parties. It has been released immediately before the most important derby game since the £1M relegation match.
The threat to withdraw the loaned land in Sept also coincides with the WMDC’s planning delay for Newmarket and threatens to throw a spanner in the works for both clubs SL franchise applications at just the WRONG time for the clubs.
COINCIDENCE?

Castleford make much of the Outline PP that was granted a few years ago but that is close to expiration and is worth nothing in light of Castleford’s lack of funding. Also, if Surfworld are being relied on to build one stand as part of their facility then no such stand can be built until they gain Full PP for their development. As I type they have not even confirmed their intention to build in Castleford let alone begin feasibility studies etc..

If the value of the WMDC land is just £2M then it is quite possible that York Court and the WCT can proceed without it. If the land is being used as an asset upon which to borrow money during the early stages of the Newmarket project in the lead up to gaining Full PP then surely the granting of Full PP will negate the need for this land and WMDC can take it back.

Someone in authority should make it known that a full review of WMDCs actions over the last 5 years will be undertaken by an independent legal team. If WMDC or any of its representatives are found to have acted inappropriately then legal action should be taken to recover any financial losses incurred by York Court, Wakefield Trinity and any other parties involved.

Further to this, a full and independent review of Peter Box’s involvement coupled with an immediate call for his resignation due to his incompetent leadership and handling of WMDCs affairs in relation to its leisure facilities.
Let’s not forget that Wakefield placed at the BOTTOM of an official Government league table in terms of leisure and sporting amenities. One legacy of that is Obesity in Wakefield is 3% above the National average, putting strain on the health authority and costing lives.

An investigation into Peter Box’s decision making with particular interest shown to his perceived lack of impartiality & conflict of interests should also be undertaken.

If that was the case (and I'm not saying it isn't) would it necessarily work against a merger? In many ways, (environmental, economical, cultural, industrial) Cas and Fev are very close (GH is squarely betwixt WR and POR) and very similar, but the division created by their passion for rugby league and the emnity of their respective clubs means we may never be able to co-exist in an RL context.

I'm no advocate of a merged Cas-Wakey but if franchise criteria don't eliminate one of us this time SL will come up with something to ensure that ultimately there will be only one club in WMDC. Over the past 20 years the greater and more sustainable interest in attending games exists in WF10 but I accept GH is badly placed for a Tigers/Wildcats merger.

Wakey have no less right to a RL club than Cas but moving to GH would be a far greater risk to their continued existence (or to the viability of a merged club) than us going to Newmarket so I could live with the latter if all else failed.

Great post i totally agree Box is a complete idiot awful timing why decide this now. Hes incompetent and we should protest for his resignation. Even cas should get involved this is appauling.

In terms of funding, a few on here have suggested that WCT and WTW have lied about full funding being available, well quite frankly that’s crap!

The funding for Newmarket has always been open book and no one has ever hidden the fact that apart from York Courts contribution there would also be a number of Grants involved.

These grants have already been identified and the mechanism for their successful application and securing investigated. Wakefield Community Trust are so confident in the initial stadium funding being secured that they have identified further funding that will enhance the community sports facilities that lay adjacent to the stadium.

Once planning permission is granted the question is not [i‘can it be funded’ [/ibut [i‘how big can the facilities become’.[/i

How much more time do Castleford need when I lived there 7 years ago you were just about start building the ground.

Both Cas and Wakey have been messing around for too long. I said it years ago that land could have been used at Europort along with building a part time train station there which would serve both wakefield and castleford.

It's as if we are getting punished for having 2 clubs in the elite competition. This should be embraced, we shouldn't be forced to ground share or merge.

A lot of it is our argument the bloody council messing every one about incompetent idiots they must be the worsed council sporting wise in the country.

Wakefield and Proud
1) I will not ever go to a Wildcats game in a shard ground in Cas
2) Wakefield as a Football Team Wakefield.F.C., I would rather them move in with us in a new stadium than Castleford, I know they have not got many fans, but ay I'm working on that, I'm Wakefield through and through... WE DO NOT NEED CASTLEFORD or Peter Box...

I would rather our club die then merge with Castleford, NO NO NO ever...!!!

=#8040FFApparently you do.

We will see working on getting him out of council as we speak

=#8000FFIf you think 4 shares or whatever it is, that were GIVEN to him is a conflict of interest etc you'll just get laughed at. Not to mention the council will just see it as a half baked attempt by some desperate Rugby fans, that won't bode well will it?

Suits me.

=#8040FFAll 3 go to the train station at Glasshoughton, so it's a pretty handy station for a Rugby ground.

Do I have this right. WMDC's position is now that they will throw the weight of the 2 pieces of land behind one stadium only (rather than their previous position of splitting the land to support both stadiums). They will decide which of the 2 plans they will throw it behind based on a feasibility study. The club with the unfeasible stadium are left with a share or go it alone situation.

Gloating already are we?

Regardless of whether he has shares, or not, Box is a Cas fan.

If I was the leader of the Council, I too would be biased, it’s human nature.

But he can never be impartial due to his allegiance to the club he supports, perhaps he will have a statue of himself commissioned, with a big smirk on one of his faces.

The shares are not that important, it's the fact that he is a self confessed lifelong supporter of the Castleford club!
If he had any integrity he would realise that he cannot be impartial or emotionally detached from the issues which will affect the future of that club and would step aside. The fact that he isn't doing so suggests that he has an agenda and wishes to steer events in the direction HE would like them to go in.

=#8000FFOr, if you look at it from a neutral point of view, if you compared both sites:

Better road links? Glasshoughton
Better rail links? Glasshoughton
Better commercial area? Glasshoughton
Furthest along in development? Glasshoughton
Least objectors? Glasshoughton

From the councils point of view, it would be much less hassle, and much better financially, commercially and in terms of less opposition, Glasshoughton is the only choice they can look at.

The fact Box is a Cas fan is nothing to do with it, the fact is the Council has just lost 70m thanks to idiots voting for "Dave" and has left them with NO option but to go with the one stadium that is much better in terms of everything mentioned.

Did Wakefield council not bail out Wakey when they sold you the ground for a pound ! How much did that 1 pound bet earn you

Surely if both clubs are sharing the 1 stadium then why the need to offer 2 licences, surely there is only the need to give out the 1 licence. I hate the licencing system but it would seem to make no sence to me to dish out 2 licences to clubs playing out of the same stadium

After reading through the 21 pages, can i just check i have got this right,

The council have given us both land up to the value of £2mil
Planning permission permitted, we can deliver our project and have the funds to do so (allowing for the £2m given)
Cas have planning permission but dont have the funds to complete at this moment in time.

If thats so than surely its a no brainer?? Unless our funds are in question??

For whats its worth, for me a groundshare would mean 1 of 2 things. Either eventually a merged team or at the very least 1 side playing in the NL in a nice shiney stadium, this been the side that is seen as the tennant and i doubt that side would see SL again.
I cant for 1 minute see the RFL (who are all for expanding the game) letting 2 teams into SL that are so close together and share a ground when there are other sides with there own stadia crying out for a place.
All of a sudden (and i never thought id say this) im wishing that we still had Belle Vue to fall back on. Atleast if we go down we would still have our own ground (in Wakey) to play at.

=#8040FFThis is just something Wakefield fans like to think when in fact the funding is there, hence 175k going to architects for plans. The "lack of funding" is just something fabricated by a Wakey or Fev fan on here and has pretty much zero substance.

No Funding and almost all avenues of immediately securing funding exhausted! Glasshoughton.

I know you've been off on one regarding the Newmarket funding package but as I said in an earlier post, the funding is identified via York Court, What remains of the funds from the sale of Belle Vue and various grants that have already been tested for successful securing of the funds available.