A bit of public support and pressure from the council on Yorkcourt wouldn't go amiss but it doesn't seem forthcoming. And given Phil has seen the need to write the letter then it makes it sound that that its not forthcoming behind closed doors either. Without a legal requirement i doubt Yorkcourt are going to shift their position easily otherwise they already would have done so. And they have already shown their moral stance. The council backing seems conspicuous by its absence and it is that which is annoying people. Maybe if we played in black and orange...

For what it's worth I don't think we will get a new stadium nor do I think BV will get anything other than a cosmetic cover up,I really hope I am wrong but with the absence of anything positive and set in stone we've had it. I do wish cas well in their stadium dream but its just so sad that a club that has been there since the beginning cannot advance because of unscrupulous people.

I'll stand being corrected but I believe it was the WMDCs planning and/or legal department who drew up the S106 agreement which had more holes in it than Sonny Corleone.

They bear a huge responsibility for the allowing YCP to wriggle out of their legal obligations.

You say that but all party's are involved in s106 and all partys must make sure it water tight either way it is a real mess and needs sorting but like the other poster says why are people so bitter towards out projects were not asking much off council apart from pass the plans.

A 106 agreement is a community levy, as such the beneficiaries have to be the council who, in our case, were due to hand the stadium to the Trust. It can be undertaken by agreement or, again in our case, as a unilateral undertaking which is drawn up by the developer, in agreement with the local authority - slight difference but quite similar.

The only other party involved is the developers bank.

Whilst I have nothing against the Cas stadium - good luck to them - it does stick in the throat the lengths to which WMDC have gone to get this through and, it is our belief that if we had the same 'will' at NM we would be on our way by now!

The council say they want all their clubs to be successful - well I say 'prove it'

We are considering our position in conjunction with the club at this time!

Yes that's the thing for me. Personally I don't mind one way or the other about Cas' stadium project and I think that applies to most Wakefield fans but what I'm sure of is, if that project ended up the same as ours, Box would be making a huge sound and dance about it and I reckon Castleford fans would expect him to so as well. Unlike what he said about ours, after it came out that Yorkcourt where trying to pull a fast one. Which was basically it's nothing to do with him or WMDC, which imo is pretty unbelieveable.

fair enough I hope you get sorted seams wrong that both clubs have done so much yet both clubs never get any further than the planning anyway wish luck and hope you finally get some thing sorted either a new ground or the old ground rebuilt.

It's amazing though that both clubs have seemingly sorted the kind of deals that get stadia built all over the Country pretty much hassle free, obviously ours has run into problems and your just starting the journey. Really both clubs should have been in new stadia by 2017, problem sorted and no real expense to WMDC. Why can't things be that simple.

A lot of people seem to believe that BOX is a 100% biased Cas fan. Really, a biased person on a Council? How unusual is that?
Can it be true?. KARMA will catch up with him.
The good news is that we now have the best owners, coach, and team that we have ever had in Super League.
Be happy, don't worry. Everything will work out for best.

Quote Wakefield Trinity, meanwhile, have admitted that they would prefer to redevelop Belle Vue than pursue their new stadium plan. If they can come to an agreement with the Bank of Ireland to buy back the ground – they seem to have secured more land from the council for parking – and will be able to work with developers to build a new home on one of the few remaining Northern Union sacred sites. Bradford’s relegation and Hull KR’s new developments leaves just two grounds not fit for Super League. And they are the two that I enjoy visiting for their nostalgic lure. Wheldon Road will not be there for long but it looks like Belle Vue may stick around for another generation.'" www.theguardian.com/sport/no-hel ... -rabbitohs

Quote Wakefield Trinity, meanwhile, have admitted that they would prefer to redevelop Belle Vue than pursue their new stadium plan. If they can come to an agreement with the Bank of Ireland to buy back the ground – they seem to have secured more land from the council for parking – and will be able to work with developers to build a new home on one of the few remaining Northern Union sacred sites. Bradford’s relegation and Hull KR’s new developments leaves just two grounds not fit for Super League. And they are the two that I enjoy visiting for their nostalgic lure. Wheldon Road will not be there for long but it looks like Belle Vue may stick around for another generation.'" www.theguardian.com/sport/no-hel ... -rabbitohs

It's an opinion. There us some truth in it, but whether it can be made to happen....

Both options remain on the table!

Nothing will happen unless you can get the developer to pay and they have no intention of doing so be it for redevelopment or the new stadium. I would guess if they were to honour their commitments they would have done so by now.

The first part of that statement is without question - the bulk of the money comes from YC. The second part could be argued. Under the 106 agreement, the trigger point has not yet been reached, therefore no-one has broken any commitment. The way NewCold was put through maybe suggests that that is what will happen, but we haven't got there yet!

What is to stop another Newcold-type development appearing around the site that doesn't count towards the trigger point? Surely the precident has been set now. And anyway, what trigger point? The 106 agreement doesn't seem to be worth the paper it is written on. Without the threat of legal reprisals i can't see YC ever paying up.

So where is the land the club may have acquired from the council? How much will the BOI want to buy BV? Has the Super Bowl been sold from under our feet? Might send these questions to the Guardian, they seem to know more than MC.

I'm not 'on call' to answer every question raised, but:

The trigger point is 60,000 sq ft.
The developer can apply under whatever guise he wants - the council are not obliged to accept it.
Legal reprisals - last resort, but under discussion.

Likewise - except you have my number if you really want to know!

No land would be acquired - possibly 'made available'
Any figures will be confidential
Ongoing.

Send to the Guardian if you like. Not sure of their source. There is some truth, but not the whole truth.

I'll find you at the St Helens game.


Not having a pop at you, more a dig at "I'm an up front guy, tell it straight just ask me " Carter.

Understood, but he's on our side and I trust him to do what's right for our club!

Didn't expect you to be on call! My point was if the 106 is as useless as it seems does the trigger point actually exist anyway? And if the agreement is not legally binding then would we actually have any recourse for legal action? YC seem pretty slippery and appear to be holding all the cards here despite them being in the wrong. It stinks.

Fair enough.

Our opinion is that the 106 itself maybe flawed, but its the execution, or not, of it which is the real issue.

Ive said time and time again Box is a cas season ticket holder why would he try his hardest pushing his rivals through. I wouldn't if I was trying desperate to build a cas ground. Such a shame

. On + side now Cas have got theres passed he may try for ours now as his nearest and dearest have nothing to lose.

When will it be decided which way we are going and if not when can we start kicking off about the way this has been handled by York court and the council.

Do the Trust, or the club, have a specialist planning lawyer advising them on this? If not, now might be the time - not cheap, but in my experience, worth the money.

In hand!