From those figures things do seem pretty fair. I honestly think this problem is worse in some parts of the country than other parts and I do not think the race issue is as bad up here as say, London, and perhaps the bigger cities up here.
What I personally object to is the likes of what I saw yesterday, which was a sign in a house window in Sandal 'If you're not racist but don't speak out against it then you're complicit'
I don't really know what that means but if it means I have to join protest marches or start conversations so I can denounce racism then I'm complicit and will remain so.

ITS NOT A LOCK DOWN. Look at countries that operated a lock down policy and then compare the death rate.
Pop tart you have taken a great interest on this particular thread while recently locking 2 simular threads.
I would agree about the death rate beimg reduced just imagine what it could have been had the goverment implemented a full lock down earlier.
Its been a shambles and how anyone can defend bojo and his chums beggars belief.

I can defend the government. Yes they’ve made mistakes, and we can all criticise in hindsight, and I believe the government made decisions at the time with the best of intentions. The opposition parties are worst of all. It’s easy and hypocritical of them to say they would have done things differently, and extend the financial schemes, when they don’t have to practice what they preach because they are not in government. I’m not a Conservative, I did vote for them Dec 2019, to get rid of that hypocrite Mary Creagh, and to get Brexit done. Yes, it has been shambles at times, but we still need to support them to get things back onto an even keel.

Well that's what opposition parties do I'm afraid , that's how it works, and the conservatives would be exactly the same but probably with much more venom if they were the opposition party.

One black man who has far more privilege than most white men used his past under privilege in society and experiences to overturn a government decision to ensure this summer holiday children won't go without meals. He articulately and politely challenged a decision he and others didn't like. No violence, no protests, no looting or finger pointing. Top man Marcus Rashford and that's from a Leeds United fan. Lots of people could take a leaf out of that young man's book and I'm sure we'd all agree on that

Just look at the recent scandal regarding free meals for under privileged children - they were going let kids STARVE.

What’s more is they had a go at footballers doing enough and they (initially) said no to Marcus Rashford. Unbelievable!

What a horrible government we have.

Agree with you on Rashford mate but protests do have an impact as well - just look at some of the new laws some states are implementing in America because of it.

Decisions "with the best intentions" is an extremely interesting thought. Best intentions for whom exactly ??
It wasn't with the benefit of hindsight that made the Government slow off the mark, it was a political decision.

You dont have to be a rocket scientist to know that travel, especially o and from virus hit countries, was absolutely crazy and was prolonged for all the wrong reasons and it has and will cost us all very dear.
Those nations that moved earliest to "lock down" are having their "freedoms" returned earlier and on a wider scale.
You have certainly let them off the hook very easily indeed.

As for Creagh, despite the result of the referendum, she didn't believe in leaving the EU. Perhaps it would have been more hypocritical for here to do a 360 degree change ?

The leader of the party that you voted for seems rather more hypocritical.

Up until 2016, his views were that we were better off in Europe, only to change his mind when he got a whiff of the Tory leader's job - now tell me who is the real hypocrite.
He also runs the party that froze the wages of all NHS staff for 10 years and then has the audacity, to lead "the clap" on a Thursday evening. Again, who is the hypocrite



Finally, what do you think will happen to the wages of the key workers when the books have to be balanced, do you think they will see any kind of pay rise

I’ve no problem with law’s being changed democracy, remember the poll tax riots, mob rule should never win the day, the Thatcher gov dropped the name PollTax, but households still ended up paying more Council tax. As for free meals for some kids during none school time, where do we draw the line. There will always be some cases where ‘‘this is required, I’ve been out of work 3 times in my working life, 3 kids and a mortgage, my kids never got the free meals, walked miles just to save 50 pence bus fare. It’s called taking responsibility for yourself. Too many people cry “it’s not fair” then jump onto the state welfare bandwagon, most of them spending the money on none essentials, instead of feeding their kids, and don’t try telling me this is not the case, because I can see it all around me. The Welfare payments started off with good intentions, but then, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Try getting people to accept responsibility for themselves, instead of sponging off the taxpayers.

You need to catch up. I locked the threads ages ago because they were being derailed and this thread is designed to stop that. I explained it earlier in the thread

Current global deaths from COVID19 - 440,640. Peak annual flu deaths globally in recent years - 650,000.
It's therefore still some way to go to surpass a bad flu year.
Current estimated infection fatality rate for COVID19 is around 0.2%, no where near 3 -10% as reported by the hysteria loving mainstream media. Some professors actually believe it could be less than 0.2% for an average population which would bring it down closer to the fatality rate of the seasonal flu 01%.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste" is the motto of these people. My conclusion is this, there is not going to be second wave this summer. Forget about discussing coming out of lockdown slowly it's all irrelevant. It's not happening regardless of track & trace, hospital treatments, 14 day quarantine, face coverings, social distancing, picnics, protests etc. Coronavirusus don't spread during summer months, never happens, never will. When's the last time you had a cold in summer?

There will however be a second wave in November/December I know this to be true because no body in the right mind in business would invest billions of pounds for a vaccine if they weren't hell bent in releasing it. All business people expect a return on their investment. The winter season is the perfect storm for respiratory diseases to spread, go and check the ONS data for the last 5 years. They will put it on the death certificate even if it wasn't the cause to pump the numbers up like they did this time. It doesn't take a scientific genius to work this out. Are you prepared to bet against me?

get your tin hat ready DS I can see the tank tops being taken off and tie and dye shirt sleeves rolled up

Wow! I agree that there are some who spend money on non essentials that would be better spent elsewhere, but to make a sweeping generalisation like that is ill thought out and wrong. Some kids out there are doing without and not because of the fault of their parents. How many people have been made redundant or simply lost their jobs because of the present situation? what you gonna tell them to do 'get on their bike and find work?'
Yes, there are scroungers and greedy so and so's ( a lot of them are just like the filthy rich?) but the kids the likes of Marcus Radford are aiming at are genuine cases you cannot say they're all spongers!

I am sorry but anything that goes well or badly falls at the door of this government. The Covid financial support package was well received however the cost now very much dictates the government actions including trying to get children back to school without proper thought or preparation. The handling of the pandemic and our high rate of deaths falls entirely at the door of the Conservatives, despite the usual “it would be worse under Corbyn”.
To make matters worse the fact he has a large majority allows Johnson to basically follow his hero Trump by being lazy and lying because he knows he will not be held to account by the government. I note he is also now having the RAF plane he uses painted Red, White and Blue, I wonder where he got that idea from.
The large majority also leads to the government ignoring scrutiny by parliament and some to act with relative impunity with property deals shall we say.
I am afraid that those who defend or voted Conservative should expect the rest to point out their failures and to say I told you so. The new Wakefield MP showed with his pre prepared central office question to Priti Patel yesterday that he is just a patsy, trying to be a good boy.

Decisions for the good of the country, Yes, lockdown should have happened sooner, and i lost some faith when they allowed fifteen thousand people a day into the country with the excuse, the disease was already here, so it wouldn’t make any difference now, that was stupid, why keep throwing more Wood onto the fire. As for M. Creagh, She should have resigned when she couldn’t support her constituents decision to leave the EU.
You think Boris left Mrs May’s cabinet office to become PM. The whole political establishment, media, globalists, kept telling us the leave voters didn’t win the referendum, the political remainers would prevent the U.K. leaving the EU. I’m sure Boris, even with Cummings, never expected Boris to become Tory leader, the political establishment said he was unelectable. He may seem hypocritical to many, or perhaps he’s just a very clever politician. Don’t forget who saved his life, the NHS, so why wouldn’t he applaud them on a Thursday night.
I’ve no idea how the books will be balanced, speculate to accumulate, spend on the economy, reap extra taxes, perhaps extra taxation on those many people earning above £100,000. You know like footballers wanting ordinary taxpayers to fund those who won’t take responsibility for themselves. I’m sure of one thing, we’d be well and truly stuffed if the other lots had won in December 2019.

I can’t believe how easy that was to prove my point if in doubt it would be worse with the other lot. I don’t know how you know this to be fact, maybe you could provide the winning lottery numbers for tomorrow.
I would hope they would not have sacrificed the old just to free up hospital beds.

Why would they need to free up hospital beds, they were building the nightingale hospitals. Plenty of beds.

I think Corbyn would still be sobbing in a dark room somewhere.

Anyone interested in the Pandemic and would like to hear some credible grown ups, BBC could learn a lot from this, discussing it. Watch 'Webinar: Investigating the Pandemic: Evaluating the evidence' - - - - - - - - . To see only 627 views for such an informative video is such shame.

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Not this myth again.

It's currently spreading like wildfire in Brazil. Record number of new infections today. And while June is Brazil's 'coldest' month, temperatures still average 19/20 degrees. It'll be into the mid 20s for the majority of this week.

I regret that it was known that they cleared out the hospitals to give them greater capacity for the virus patients when they realised what the pandemic involved. It was a shame they didn’t bother testing those patients being sent to care homes in amongst those most likely to die from the virus. The Nightingale hospitals did not come on line until several weeks after that, this is why the Hull KR player thought he was going to have to leave Pindersfield because they wanted his bed however this was changed at the last minute.
With regards Corbyn why should he have any concerns because it will be Johnson and the government who will have to explain the late start at every stage and why we have so many excess deaths.
I am sure it will be another Judge lead review of their actions because they know these take years to reach a conclusion and he will be desperate to do his usual and kick the can well down the road.
I know their supporters suggest hindsight but unfortunately they had at least two weeks of evidence from Italy regarding the dangerous nature of this pandemic. It was their choice to ignore these warnings and initially treat it like influenza and go for herd immunity. He may have been a little bit wiser if he had bothered to turn up to the first five COBRA meetings, but he was on holiday because it is well known he likes the title but not the responsibility or the work involved.
The pandemic could not have occurred at a worst time because Johnson is clearly not up to this or any other disaster like the floods earlier in the year. This time I believe he was in the Foreign Secretary’s grace and favour country pad sorting out his divorce and his girlfriend’s baby shower.

Thats simply not true.
The MERS virus is found all year round in the middle east.
I was in Kos last August,circa 35 degrees and the whole family "caught" cold.I believe from doctor over there it was enterovirus(which thrives in warmer weather),appreciate not the same strain.

Are you talking about 0.2% of the population or 0.2% of deaths for those who have contracted the virus ?
Also, you suggest that the virus wont spread during summer ??
It seems to be gathering pace in some very warm climates at present

The hypocritical **** was applauding on a Thursday night before he contracted the virus ??
I appreciate that he owes his life to the NHS staff and lets wait and see what their reward is for risking their lives for a reduced (real terms) reward.

Any truly grateful leader would have paid a bonus to such essential staff but, I will in to wager that their wages will indeed be frozen when "austerity mark 2" is put in place and the Tory loving newspapers will be back to calling NHS workers lazy etc, etc