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| Quote ="ball-in-hand"Another dreadful performance from Tom Grant . So inconsistent. Tackle on Murphy only gets a yellow card. Allowing Catalans to hold down consistently but penalising Trinity giving six again when Trinity do it. Taking Trinity about 15 yards back .I could go on.'" I
I've said on another post that the referee has nothing to do with whether we win or lose, it's down to us and how we play.
Well, I had those words stuffed down my throat yesterday because the referee DID have something to do with the result.
I think a lot of damage was done with the two soft tries we let in early, but after that, the defence tightened and all I saw was a display of constantly laying on by Catalans in a deliberate effort to slow the game. The referee's tolerance was unbelievable - they should have had a player binned but he allowed it to happen throughout the game. There was a deliberate obstruction on Gaskell in the first half which went unpunished.
I agree he was a disgrace.
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| Grant was awful, spoiled what should have been a decent game. I will deffo be looking at who the officials are before deciding to go to the Wigan game or not.
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| the game can't go on like this It's killing any chance of survival if it continues to dish out errors that are either blatant or misjudged, while it sounds like sour grapes to a club like ours at the bottom its the difference between us competing or going under, too much is at stake now for this to continue without complaint
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| Quote ="snowie"the game can't go on like this It's killing any chance of survival if it continues to dish out errors that are either blatant or misjudged, while it sounds like sour grapes to a club like ours at the bottom its the difference between us competing or going under, too much is at stake now for this to continue without complaint'"
Correct, but no doubt if the club do actually complain they will be slapped with a fine. It's a no win situation.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Correct, but no doubt if the club do actually complain they will be slapped with a fine. It's a no win situation.'"
but how can you be fined for proving the ref was wrong and has cost the club so dearly, it will always be a win win situation for the inept RFL
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| Quote ="chissitt"The 3 worst referees in super league by a mile are Grant, Smith and Kendall and not in any particular order as far as I'm concerned, and we had 2 out of 3, how lucky are we, apart from an unrelated small problem that's the biggest reason I did not go on Sunday and unfortunately if any of those clowns, and I use that word generously are in charge of any of the rest our games that's me done for this season at least as I'm fast losing any interest I have left in the game and I'm finding it difficult to come up with excuses to go to the game, still think Kendall's the worst ref PB, I did warn you about Grant mate
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Yes I was warned, you were bang on he was shocking. Like you ,this is starting to get me down. Refs are having too much influence on the outcome of games.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Correct, but no doubt if the club do actually complain they will be slapped with a fine. It's a no win situation.'"
As I understand it, each Monday after the weekend games, each club is sent an email questionnaire for the clubs assessment on the Match officials performance of their game.
I’m sure a club can express their views in this way.
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| It’s atrocious really that certain ref’s incompetences are genuinely stopping fans from attending games. I didn’t go Sunday but I watched the Wigan- Wire game Friday on sky. Bevan French feet were both in touch as he dived in for a rightly so disallowed try. The touch judge was literally stood 5 foot away and yet it still got sent up as a try. Yet against cas every one of ours got sent up as no try’s. How T F can a referee send it up to the video ref as a try/no try when they clearly don’t know themselves. It’s an absolute joke.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"As I understand it, each Monday after the weekend games, each club is sent an email questionnaire for the clubs assessment on the Match officials performance of their game.
I’m sure a club can express their views in this way.'"
Yes thats correct. A coach can even question an incident and get an explanation because often in the past we have had an appology from the head of referees snd acceptance that mistakes were made. However nothing seems to alter.
The rules of the game dont help as some situation are impossible to judge and the ref has to guess, ie ball strip/ loss. Six again also has a wide variety of interpretations.
Having said all that, yesterday i saw a referee who was extremly vigilent in seeing we were in side especially in their 20. Yet seemed not to care to look at what Catalan were doing in defence.
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| God knows what he'd have been like if he'd had Tompkins in his earhole for eighty Minutes. It was bad enough as it was.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Yes I was warned, you were bang on he was shocking. Like you ,this is starting to get me down. Refs are having too much influence on the outcome of games.'"
It was a bit soul destroying but there appeared some ‘shepherding’ going on at the game yesterday by the officials.
I often think it’s down to lack of investment in the training of the officials but yesterday in a number of areas it was hard not to view the way Grant and co referred as impartial.
The time that Catalans were afforded on the floor was diabolical and the constant flops that went unpunished in almost every tackle which allowed their line to be set before we could even struggle to play the ball. In contrast we were penalised with repeated six agains for holding down.
When the linesman and ref missed Gaskell being taken off the ball and the crowd went crazy he gave a six again to cats shortly after when there was no visible infringement was just a two fingers up to the trinity fans.
Yes we started terrible for the first 10-15 minutes but we did sort it out in defence after that but to an extent we were ushered away from good field positions repeatedly.
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| Quote ="LyndsayGill"God knows what he'd have been like if he'd had Tompkins in his earhole for eighty Minutes. It was bad enough as it was.'"
Tompkins kept coming on as 'waterboy' and kept offering the referee water.
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| Quote ="phe13"Tompkins kept coming on as 'waterboy' and kept offering the referee water.
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| Quote ="phe13"Tompkins kept coming on as 'waterboy' and kept offering the referee water.
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| Sorry but I just watched on highlights that Catalan dragons player May go in as 3rd man on Murphy who was pretty much stopped and pull his legs up and almost dump him on his head.
How on earth was he allowed to come back on the field? That could have done some serious damage to Murphy back/neck. Even worse there was absolutely no need to do it.
Tom Grant wasn’t even going to penalise it too and only stopped play because the TJ run on.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Sorry but I just watched on highlights that Catalan dragons player May go in as 3rd man on Murphy who was pretty much stopped and pull his legs up and almost dump him on his head.
How on earth was he allowed to come back on the field? That could have done some serious damage to Murphy back/neck. Even worse there was absolutely no need to do it.
Tom Grant wasn’t even going to penalise it too and only stopped play because the TJ run on.'"
Haven't seen it back but I'm amazed it wasn't a red, particularly with what players were getting sent off for early on in the season. I noted that Grant wasn't going to punish it either.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Haven't seen it back but I'm amazed it wasn't a red, particularly with what players were getting sent off for early on in the season. I noted that Grant wasn't going to punish it either.'"
It’s worse watching it on the superleague highlights. Should have been a straight red. I can’t fathom how differently a ref can police two teams in the same game for offences. I’m struggling to excuse it with the usual ‘inconsistency’ or ‘human error’. It’s one of the very few ocassions I actually come to the conclusion it was biased and intentional rather than just inept.
There’s nothing that you can do though as you can’t question them.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Grant was awful, spoiled what should have been a decent game. I will deffo be looking at who the officials are before deciding to go to the Wigan game or not.'"
There's plenty not to like about that man regarding his refereeing, but I'll tell you the worst thing about Grant as far as I'm concerned and that's his arrogance the way he dismisses players who try and question his decisions, he used to be a good ref that's why he got promoted to SL, since then he now thinks he's bigger than the game, I think he believes he's never made a bad call, what a phenonemon he truly is.
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| Quote ="chissitt"There's plenty not to like about that man regarding his refereeing, but I'll tell you the worst thing about Grant as far as I'm concerned and that's his arrogance the way he dismisses players who try and question his decisions, he used to be a good ref that's why he got promoted to SL, since then he now thinks he's bigger than the game, I think he believes he's never made a bad call, =#FF0000what a phenonemon he truly is.'"
Thats one way of putting it....
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| As others have said the poor standard of officials is killing the game as a spectator sport. I have no enthusiasm for the game I watch my team that's it. That is in question at the moment because the way the game is going enjoyment becomes anger. I don't need to pay to watch a bloke that kill a spectator sport it's a joke and the rest are not much better. When it becomes a discussion of the officials the game as entertainment has lost it!
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"It’s worse watching it on the superleague highlights. Should have been a straight red. I can’t fathom how differently a ref can police two teams in the same game for offences. I’m struggling to excuse it with the usual ‘inconsistency’ or ‘human error’. It’s one of the very few ocassions I actually come to the conclusion it was biased and intentional rather than just inept.
There’s nothing that you can do though as you can’t question them.'"
Difficult to say with this referee whether its being biased because everybody already knows he is inept. He really is the worst of a very bad bunch.
Anyway the Catalans player has been banned for two games, not that it helps us.
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"As others have said the poor standard of officials is killing the game as a spectator sport. I have no enthusiasm for the game I watch my team that's it. That is in question at the moment because the way the game is going enjoyment becomes anger. I don't need to pay to watch a bloke that kill a spectator sport it's a joke and the rest are not much better. When it becomes a discussion of the officials the game as entertainment has lost it!'"
Couldn’t agree more. My love of RL is hanging by the thinnest of threads, its got to the point where i’ve stopped enjoying it the majority of times, win or lose. It’s probably time for a break.
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| And yet there are still posters on this forum that believe that officials don't "cheat." If Grant wasn't "cheating" yesterday then he should be immediately sacked for total inadequacy. Total disregard for the opposition's gamesmanship. He made Hicks look like a super ref.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse" When the linesman and ref missed Gaskell being taken off the ball and the crowd went crazy he gave a six again to cats shortly after when there was no visible infringement was just a two fingers up to the trinity fans.
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Other than the Murphy call the most outrageous incident in the game. A two handed shove off the ball a yard from the touch judge. Pure pantomime, an insult to the fans and proof that unless you're top four it all depends which idiot is in the middle whether you have a chance or not. Disgraceful and they wonder why the game is struggling.
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