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| Quote ="vastman"To say you’re twisting the narrative to suit your argument would be a huge understatement but that’ I suppose is what people do when they get frustrated.
This season we were hugely unlucky against Hull and Wigan but I suppose that doesn’t count.
You need to take off you extra thick rose tinted specs if you think HKR are playing RL that’s streets ahead of us, they are not. They don’t have the worst injury crisis in the game.
=#FF0000Smith being positive, doesn’t happen much, now why would he suddenly be happy after his first win in yonks? I just can’t work it out, can anyone help?'"
I was thinking the same, he's usually very dour and evasive in the post match interviews but last night he was almost bouncing.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"I was thinking the same, he's usually very dour and evasive in the post match interviews but last night he was almost bouncing.'"
Hardly surprising after that performance and result! ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="little wayne69"Which asks the question why did Wakefield sign him.'"
Why do Wakefield sign most of the players we do? ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif)
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| Quote ="little wayne69"Which asks the question why did Wakefield sign him.'"
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Cheap
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This is true, especially the 'possibility of improvement', also Wilzay is right, a 'solid grafter'.
He was never going to break any pots but used better, we could have got more from King.
Playing him off the bench was a waste of a substitute. He was never going to come on and change a game.
James Hassan at Salford was the same, came with some great stats but ended up at Wakey.
Unfortunately in his stint with us, he again was played off the bench and that wasn't his game.
Nick Scruton reminds me of what King and Hassan are, they need to start the game and play big minutes, because what you get in the first minute, you'll get in the last minute.
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| King is an 80 minutes work horse who runs great lines, defends well and should always have been starting. I agree he has never been used correctly at Wakey.
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| King is an 80 minutes work horse who runs great lines, defends well and should always have been starting. I agree he has never been used correctly at Wakey.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Cheap
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Correct and this is when the coach should earn his corn ,turning these so-called average players into a fighting forced be reckoned with and then sprinkled with a bit of quality in the playing department to guide them around .A lot harder to get average players playing at the top of their game week in week out than supposedly top draw players who have the class in bucket loads.From what I’ve seen so far since the restart our coach is finding it the hardest to get the best out of our players compared to the teams around us .Take that as you will ,is the coach not good enough to get the best out of the players or are the players simply not listening to him ,bit of both or something else entirely.whatever the problem is ,it would be nice to be going into next season not hoping Toronto are in the league as a safety net for us ,as the more I see the teams around us performing as they are the more I worry .
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"Why do Wakefield sign most of the players we do?
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Not sure of the rolling eyes as my post was in made from the context of poptart's post, and not in anyway a slur on the signing or the ability of King HTH, I'm not sure why Wakefield signed George King perhaps you have a theory yourself which you'd like to share on here.
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| George King in his last 3 seasons at Warrington started 4 games and was a substitute 48 times. Just let that sink in...
The experts on here then use it as yet another way to have a dig at Chester...you couldn’t make it up...
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| Quote ="little wayne69"Not sure of the rolling eyes as my post was in made from the context of poptart's post, and not in anyway a slur on the signing or the ability of King HTH, I'm not sure why Wakefield signed George King perhaps you have a theory yourself which you'd like to share on here.'"
I was talking - which I thought was obvious - about the players that we can afford....
As has been stated, Warrington decided to release him and he ends up here....
Hope that clears it up for you.
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| Quote ="upthecats"George King in his last 3 seasons at Warrington started 4 games and was a substitute 48 times. Just let that sink in...
The experts on here then use it as yet another way to have a dig at Chester...you couldn’t make it up...'"
He was down the pecking order at Wire and they obviously thought they could use that bench spot better.
What I'm saying is that HKR will get more from him than Wakefield have.
Let that sink in...
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| We have to accept that until the club realise he is costing them money in lost revenue he is going nowhere. It is not actually winning or losing but the manner in which we play the games. This is either down to the team not following his game plan or Chester not having a game plan.
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| Quote ="FickleFingerOfFate"He was down the pecking order at Wire and they obviously thought they could use that bench spot better.
What I'm saying is that HKR will get more from him than Wakefield have.
Let that sink in...'"
He wasn’t down the pecking order in 2016 when he made 27 appearances ALL from the bench! That was under the same coach he’ll be playing for next season...let that sink in....
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| Quote ="upthecats"He wasn’t down the pecking order in 2016 when he made 27 appearances ALL from the bench! That was under the same coach he’ll be playing for next season...let that sink in....'"
So you're saying he wasn't behind Sims, Hill, Westerman, Westwood, Hughes, Livett and Philbin in 2016?
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| Quote ="FickleFingerOfFate"So you're saying he wasn't behind Sims, Hill, Westerman, Westwood, Hughes, Livett and Philbin in 2016?'"
No, I’m saying that the point you and others are making about him being used wrongly as a substitute isn’t a very valid one when Tony Smith gave him 1 start in 40 odd appearances in two seasons.
Would you like to have a wager that he’ll be used more as a sub than a starter for Hull KR next season?
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| On another note...this current game proving what a near impossible task us lower ended teams have going up against the top sides while ravaged by injuries...
No lack of effort on Huddersfield’s part but just haven’t got enough quality players on the field to be able to stop Saints..
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| Quote ="upthecats"No, I’m saying that the point you and others are making about him being used wrongly as a substitute isn’t a very valid one when Tony Smith gave him 1 start in 40 odd appearances in two seasons.
Would you like to have a wager that he’ll be used more as a sub than a starter for Hull KR next season?'"
Why is it not a valid point?
Who would he displace for a starting spot?
What I'm saying is he offers very little from the bench and would be better starting.
And yep, I'll wager he starts more than he's benched.
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| Just looking through the first half of last season, when Chester had just about a fully fit squad...George King took part in 13 of the first 14 games.
He started 4 times...bothe wins against Leeds...London away and HKR at home...probably our two worst defeats of the opening half of the season...
He played 9 times off the bench in a good bunch of results...5 wins...2 point loss away at Cas...two point defeat at home to Warrington, 6 point loss to Saints and an away defeat at Hull.
After 14 rounds we were 3rd in the table...King played a part in that, mostly off the bench...after that injuries struck right across the team, disruptions, loss of form etc...
The reason he’s leaving, if I’m not mistaken is to do with money?
Overall I think Chester was very fair with him and used him pretty well...
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| I haven’t posted on here for about a year but a couple of things caught my eye recently.
The injury situation when we lost 38-0 to Warrington was used as the reason for the loss yet had CC used everyone who was available to him he could have played a team that was almost the same as the one that beat Warrington 18-8.
Tom Johnstone’s the obvious absentee and he did score a late try in the win earlier in the season. Apart from that though it’s very much like for like ie. Atkins replacing Arundel & Kirmond replacing Pitts. We could even have picked Fifita if we wanted to find another way of sanctioning him.
WIN TEAM VS possible team
Jowitt/Jowitt
Tupou/Tupou
Lyne/Gigot
Arundel/Atkins
Johnstone/Croft
Miller/Miller
Hampshire/Hampshire
Kopczak/Kopczak
K Wood/K Wood
Tanginoa/Tanginoa
Ashurst/Ashurst
Pitts/Kirmond
Westerman/Westerman
J Wood/J Wood
Bachelor/Bachelor
Tangata/Tangata
Navarette/Navarette
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| Welcome back Avenger...always thought you were a decent poster!
Few clear differences between the two games though...
1) we had home advantage in the first one.
2) conditions in the first game (storm Dennis) and a heavy pitch probably suited us more.
3) we’d had a preseason and not come back to a game with different rules. I know it’s the same for all teams but think we are struggling with it..
4) it was Widdops first game and if I remember he was really poor that day as opposed to last week where him and Austin look to be a pairing that are getting better by the week.
5) Warrington had a week off while we were in the cup the week before...with the demands on the players since the restart an extra week off is a big advantage I’d say.
6) form and confidence...both teams couldn’t be further apart on that score after lockdown...
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"King is an 80 minutes work horse who runs great lines, defends well and should always have been starting. I agree he has never been used correctly at Wakey.'"
How many times during his career do you think he's done an 80 minute stint?
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"I was talking - which I thought was obvious - about the players that we can afford....
[uAs has been stated, Warrington decided to release him and he ends up here.[/u...
Hope that clears it up for you.'"
Things are only obvious to the people who understand what your talking about, my reply was to poptart who commented on Warringtons eagerness to get rid of King, my reply then to poptart was why then did we sign King, still with me? it's not difficult if you read it properly, I hope that clears things up for you too, perhaps it might have been easier on your part if you had explained yourself a bit more and not thrown in the unnecessary rolling eyes for effect.
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| Whilst we're on the subject of Wire, they stood down Hill, Widdop, Philbin and Clarke and still racked up some points v Hull FC tonight.
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| I suppose looking at recent form we should be able to beat Hull, do you agree? upthecats. If we fail to do so and continue to perform badly even you must admit it is time for Chester to go or will there be other excuses. The games I have seen clearly show we are currently the worst. I know many have conceded large scores but they still look better organised than us. It may be negative but sorry it is true and I think even PT must accept that we are in the same position as other teams but where they look to entertain we just appear clueless. We can’t even manage the five drives and a kick anymore.
I know I have posted before we could lose every game and he will not be going anywhere unless he starts to impact on the club’s revenue which cannot be covered by other income streams.
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