Agree about Gaskell ,Hall wil learn, but think you gone way over the top with smash Hudds Very worrying we are getting smashed 60 nil, says a lot about our defence ,but says more about our attack .That is with 2 or 3 players out ,not 7 or 8 like it use to be a few year ago .Lot poorer team than last year .

Hall will learn and there’s a class player in there.

Well we had 3 players playing out of position and Jowitt, Bowden, Hood and Crowther out injured along with losing Tanginoa after 5 minutes. 60 nil is poor but it’s not without contributory factors.

When I said smash Hudds I meant more in the players mentality and that they need to come out professional and with a high level of focus and channelled aggression.

It says alot about our edge defence and having g looked at the highlights in detail they are something that can be fixed quite quickly with guidance given to the right players.

It wasn’t great at all but it’s not unfixable all the same. Whether they fix it is another matter.

Watched the game on Trinity Tv this morning. A few things that stuck out to me were.

Our defensive line speed and kick chase speed is well off the pace, like last week. We look really sluggish with no intensity. We look like a team that’s backing up from playing a day before compared to Wigan who looked fresh with real purpose and intent.

Kicking game is still really poor, we fail to find any momentum, which is also heightened with our poor kick chase. Wigan constantly starting out their sets in their own 30 where as we were pinned down because of their excellent kick and intensity. We didn’t have a set on their line until the 50th minute which is abysmal. The poor kick chase intensity is suicide against a team containing Field, French and Marshall.

Wigan were clinical but they simply were made to look excellent due to our own lack of intensity and real issues outside in defence. The blow out score was simply from individual defending errors and clear lack of communication from Wigan throwing pretty simple attacking shapes at our edges. Hall and Taufua constantly jamming in leaving Lineham and Murphy 2 on 1 for easy walk ins. Really really poor.

Proctor was immense in the middle, as were Pitt’s and Whitbread. Battye carried well as did Butler. Proctor just looked bemused at the calamity that was happening outside of him as did Pitt’s just constantly shaking their heads after they just strolled in time and time again.

For me it’s our intensity that’s the real worry. Apart from the odd few, we look knackered and lethargic especially our line speed and kick chase. Wigan was always going to be a tough place to go, but a lot of championship teams would of scored and conceded less than that on the day.

That is bang on. If you want the ball in good position you have to do the tough stuff in defence and roll up sleeves! The intensity and aggression isn’t there and it needs to be. It’s not as if the players can’t do it. That second half against Fev we came out and the intensity was excellent and we completely snuffed out Fev in defence and Fev had no answer at all for it (just like we don’t).

Sometimes the best way is to just copy what others are doing right! If the defensive intensity and line moving up is causing us issues then let’s take it and put it into action and use instead of the hang off approach to defence we currently have.

Right down to every player they should want to be stronger and better than their opposite number and dominate them, that’s all about bringing in a competitive nature too.

It’s not unfixable but there’s no substitute for rolling the sleeves up and making sure the effort is directed at the actual issue.

I agree about Proctor, Pitts etc and Langi too. They were very good in defence and it must be disheartening seeing it collapse outside you. But it’s pro sport and they are adults, get it sorted.

We don’t need to try fix everything in one week but let’s fix 1/2 things at a time starting with the intensity and the edge defence. Then when we are putting ourselves in better positions we can look at improved kick chasing and ending our sets better.

Sometimes though you copy what other successful teams are doing right.

Really good point is that. The second half against Fev was like watching Wigan against us. Wigan constantly 3 men into the tackle, really intense. They were nothing flash, just executed against really poor defence on our edges. I’m pretty sure when they are sat in the video room it will be pretty dire watching. Worst thing for me is how knackered we look. It doesn’t look like the second game of the season, it looks like we’ve played week in week out throughout pre season. Strange.

Same problem as last season the middle is tackling but they are not dominating the ruck hence they are too compressed leaving the flanks exposed. It's ok praising the middle but they are exposing the flanks.

They look knackered. They were so compressed.

Not in this case. Read my more detailed post further on. I spent a good 45 minutes at least slowing down/pausing every try and analysing where the issues were. The issues are very much the edges and not middles (more specifically the centres). It’s different to last season but still a very real issue all the same.

I’m praising the middle for the fact they aren’t conceding tries or breaks. But I’m not praising them for their yard gains etc. I’m not quite sure what we expect though when we are constantly coming out from deep and kicking on the 30/40.

The middle aren’t too compressed imho and the highlights prove that no forward is at fault for any of those tries vs Wigan. Almost every Wigan try we had enough players to deal with the attack because the middles and second rows had done their jobs but for poor decision making from the centres to leave the wingers facing 2/3 on 1 situations.

Our edge defence has been garbage for ten years. Opposing wingers have had free run ins forever and a day. The last three coaches didn’t seem able to sort it. After sixty years, I’m taking a break. Sitting out in freezing cold and rain watching unopposed rugby is not for me.

Well we agree to disagree

Sure, we don’t all have to agree.

To be fair I’m just commenting and basing my opinion off the actual video footage. Can’t say anything else that I didn’t see in that.

I can't fathom what our game plan must have been surely you must try to make it as most difficult as possible for the opposition, Why didn't we do what KR did and try to close them down more quickly and get in there faces, I know it's not as easy as it sounds but we have to changed,We are clearly not as good as most teams but we will have to find a way to compete better because we wont win a game all year if we play like again.

If we play with the energy that we’ve shown the last two games I couldn’t agree more.

Mash has said a few times that we are focusing on us not the opposition. I think mostly that’s right bu we should also be looking at what other teams do successfully to beat our opponents and take parts of what they do well and incorporate it.

Trinity teams over the years have been notorious for not quickly moving up and we appear happy to plant our feet in the ground and wait for the contact instead of initiating it on our own terms. It’s always been frustrating especially on the rare ocassions we do enforce a quick line and shut teams down we end up with a win or good effect.

It’s clear where our issues are but fixing them is another thing entirely.

Just watched match on Trin TV and dismayed how bad we played.No energy, kicking as bad as Cats game and looked to be a collective acceptance that they were only there to make up the numbers.Can we turn this shambles around? Hope so!

Lineham might have more energy if he stayed out of the pub! Dedicated players shouldn't be boozing during the season, even more so after a terrible performance!

Heresay, or you saw him?

Saw, Red lion, Hambleton.

Edited Poptart. Don't start saying things like that on here.
It's against AUP. Harmful to the player and the club and this site.

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Coach is beginning to sound like Chester

Give him a chance FFS.

New senior squad players , new coaches , what were people expecting, personally not the walloping we got from Wigan , but all to play for going forwards

I only count Proctor, Atoni and Smith so hardly a disruption.

And Langi
So loose forward, prop, hooker and stand off.

It's not excuse for 60-0 but it's a significant change.