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| Quote ="PopTart"Don't get me wrong, I'm asking questions to understand your point because I don't get it. It will help me form my answer.
I certainly don't think the BBC are in some conspiracy.
Reading the blog I find it interesting I just don't come to the same conclusions.
The "getting people to think your way" is nothing new. If they used some mind control drugs I'd be with you but freedom means they can encourage you to think their way. It's my choice whether to follow.
It's only the same as wearing your best shirt to look good on a night out so people are more drawn to you. They just do it better. If they do something illegal to do it, then I'll be protesting..... From my chair probably.'"
I don't think you understand the power of, lets say marketing, promoting, advertisements, propoganda. Billions is spent upon persuading people to part with there hard earned cash. Yes, we have freedom of choice but trust me, they don't spend billions on the understanding that people simply have free choice. It's a whole lot more complicated than that, As this scamdemic has show,
The BBC....They lie. How? they lie by ommision. an example..during Brexit, Hardly a mention, if any, of the terrible "yellow vests" demonstrations in Paris or the Catalonian demonstrations. Maybe before Brexit but certainly not during, a situation I was monitoring. Why? Because it did not fit there pro remain stance. I mean, we could hardly be allowed to see how disgruntled the French were at that time. Notice how they also made sure EU flags were flying in the background of outside broadcasts. Yeah, very subtle.
As for the anti antisemitism attacks on Jeremy Corbin at every interview...the mind doth boggle. We, in this household, sat screaming at the television..."B........x to that, what about the workers?" (or words to that effect)
A "conspiracy" takes many forms. Though to be fair I never used that term.
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For those here and in the media who love to use Italy as a yardstick for how "devastating" the C_19 virus is...just consider the report below.
I often say “follow the money” but lets add to that “follow the pollution”. Add to this the mis diagnosis of the disease on many death certificates and a whole different picture arrases.
Just how bad is pollution in Italy?
The countries with the worst pollution are....wait for it....China, Iran, India (and a few tiny countries) All cited when the worst of the virus is reported.
Again I provide links.
https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safe ... s-in-italy
https://www.thelocal.it/20190122/these- ... s-in-italy
Air pollution is a huge problem in Italy. A report in 2018 showed that air quality levels were a red alert for Italy. Way back in early 2011, officials reported that pollution in Italy was reaching crisis levels.
What's particularly troublesome is particle pollution that pervades Italy, and accounts for breathing and heart problems, causing a whopping 9% of deaths of Italians over the age of 30.
In Northern Italy, including big cities like Milan and Turin, has some of the worst pollution in all of Europe[/b. In December 2017, both cities introduced traffic restrictions to try and reduce the impact of smog and air pollution.
Northern cities including Brescia, Lodi, Monza and Venice topped the pollution chart as Italy's environmental agency warned of a pollution "red alert".
Smog and pollution are choking Italian cities year-round and many towns are exceeding their limits on fine particles and other pollution, according to a new report from Italian environmental authority Legambiente.
Its annual report, published this week, warned that 2018's figures were a “red alert" for Italy.
At least one of two daily pollution limits, on fine particles and ozone emissions, was exceeded in 55 of Italy’s regional capitals.
Unsurprisingly many of Italy’s big cities exceeded the limits. Venice was ranked fourth, closely followed by Milan, Turin and Padua. Rome was 28th and Naples 29th on the list.
Almost all of the worst affected cities are in northern Italy. Frosinone, south of Rome and an emerging centre of industry, falls outside Italy's traditional “industrial triangle” in the north-west, as does Macerata in Campania and the Sicilian town of Enna.
LETS FACE IT.even a mild dose of flu is enough to push that 9% deaths figure way over the edge.
So why are we in Wakefield copping for this tragedy in Italy.
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For those here and in the media who love to use Italy as a yardstick for how "devastating" the C_19 virus is...just consider the report below.
I often say “follow the money” but lets add to that “follow the pollution”. Add to this the mis diagnosis of the disease on many death certificates and a whole different picture arrases.
Just how bad is pollution in Italy?
The countries with the worst pollution are....wait for it....China, Iran, India (and a few tiny countries) All cited when the worst of the virus is reported.
Again I provide links.
https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safe ... s-in-italy
https://www.thelocal.it/20190122/these- ... s-in-italy
Air pollution is a huge problem in Italy. A report in 2018 showed that air quality levels were a red alert for Italy. Way back in early 2011, officials reported that pollution in Italy was reaching crisis levels.
What's particularly troublesome is particle pollution that pervades Italy, and accounts for breathing and heart problems, causing a whopping 9% of deaths of Italians over the age of 30.
In Northern Italy, including big cities like Milan and Turin, has some of the worst pollution in all of Europe[/b. In December 2017, both cities introduced traffic restrictions to try and reduce the impact of smog and air pollution.
Northern cities including Brescia, Lodi, Monza and Venice topped the pollution chart as Italy's environmental agency warned of a pollution "red alert".
Smog and pollution are choking Italian cities year-round and many towns are exceeding their limits on fine particles and other pollution, according to a new report from Italian environmental authority Legambiente.
Its annual report, published this week, warned that 2018's figures were a “red alert" for Italy.
At least one of two daily pollution limits, on fine particles and ozone emissions, was exceeded in 55 of Italy’s regional capitals.
Unsurprisingly many of Italy’s big cities exceeded the limits. Venice was ranked fourth, closely followed by Milan, Turin and Padua. Rome was 28th and Naples 29th on the list.
Almost all of the worst affected cities are in northern Italy. Frosinone, south of Rome and an emerging centre of industry, falls outside Italy's traditional “industrial triangle” in the north-west, as does Macerata in Campania and the Sicilian town of Enna.
LETS FACE IT.even a mild dose of flu is enough to push that 9% deaths figure way over the edge.
So why are we in Wakefield copping for this tragedy in Italy.
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| Genuine question Willzay. What inequalities do you think there are with the black community? I've asked my black friends and got their answers.
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Quote ="Miro"For those here and in the media who love to use Italy as a yardstick for how "devastating" the C_19 virus is...just consider the report below.
I often say “follow the money” but lets add to that “follow the pollution”. Add to this the mis diagnosis of the disease on many death certificates and a whole different picture arrases.
Just how bad is pollution in Italy?
The countries with the worst pollution are....wait for it....China, Iran, India (and a few tiny countries) All cited when the worst of the virus is reported.
Again I provide links.
https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safe ... s-in-italy
https://www.thelocal.it/20190122/these- ... s-in-italy
Air pollution is a huge problem in Italy. A report in 2018 showed that air quality levels were a red alert for Italy. Way back in early 2011, officials reported that pollution in Italy was reaching crisis levels.
What's particularly troublesome is particle pollution that pervades Italy, and accounts for breathing and heart problems, causing a whopping 9% of deaths of Italians over the age of 30.
In Northern Italy, including big cities like Milan and Turin, has some of the worst pollution in all of Europe[/b. In December 2017, both cities introduced traffic restrictions to try and reduce the impact of smog and air pollution.
Northern cities including Brescia, Lodi, Monza and Venice topped the pollution chart as Italy's environmental agency warned of a pollution "red alert".
Smog and pollution are choking Italian cities year-round and many towns are exceeding their limits on fine particles and other pollution, according to a new report from Italian environmental authority Legambiente.
Its annual report, published this week, warned that 2018's figures were a “red alert" for Italy.
At least one of two daily pollution limits, on fine particles and ozone emissions, was exceeded in 55 of Italy’s regional capitals.
Unsurprisingly many of Italy’s big cities exceeded the limits. Venice was ranked fourth, closely followed by Milan, Turin and Padua. Rome was 28th and Naples 29th on the list.
Almost all of the worst affected cities are in northern Italy. Frosinone, south of Rome and an emerging centre of industry, falls outside Italy's traditional “industrial triangle” in the north-west, as does Macerata in Campania and the Sicilian town of Enna.
LETS FACE IT.even a mild dose of flu is enough to push that 9% deaths figure way over the edge.
So why are we in Wakefield copping for this tragedy in Italy.'"
You do know that there have been pollution "red alerts" in the UK too ?
I've not travelled in India but, I have been to both China and Italy and from my experience there was absolutely no comparison.
When you look up into the Sky in China, there is no blue Sky, just a grey haze.
At least in Rome, when the sun shines, you can see the sun.
Although people with breathing issues are more susceptible to the covid virus, as are those people with certain types of diabetes and other health issues, it is the virus that caused so many fatalities.
Without covid19, the vast majority of the victims would still be alive.
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Quote ="Miro"For those here and in the media who love to use Italy as a yardstick for how "devastating" the C_19 virus is...just consider the report below.
I often say “follow the money” but lets add to that “follow the pollution”. Add to this the mis diagnosis of the disease on many death certificates and a whole different picture arrases.
Just how bad is pollution in Italy?
The countries with the worst pollution are....wait for it....China, Iran, India (and a few tiny countries) All cited when the worst of the virus is reported.
Again I provide links.
https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safe ... s-in-italy
https://www.thelocal.it/20190122/these- ... s-in-italy
Air pollution is a huge problem in Italy. A report in 2018 showed that air quality levels were a red alert for Italy. Way back in early 2011, officials reported that pollution in Italy was reaching crisis levels.
What's particularly troublesome is particle pollution that pervades Italy, and accounts for breathing and heart problems, causing a whopping 9% of deaths of Italians over the age of 30.
In Northern Italy, including big cities like Milan and Turin, has some of the worst pollution in all of Europe[/b. In December 2017, both cities introduced traffic restrictions to try and reduce the impact of smog and air pollution.
Northern cities including Brescia, Lodi, Monza and Venice topped the pollution chart as Italy's environmental agency warned of a pollution "red alert".
Smog and pollution are choking Italian cities year-round and many towns are exceeding their limits on fine particles and other pollution, according to a new report from Italian environmental authority Legambiente.
Its annual report, published this week, warned that 2018's figures were a “red alert" for Italy.
At least one of two daily pollution limits, on fine particles and ozone emissions, was exceeded in 55 of Italy’s regional capitals.
Unsurprisingly many of Italy’s big cities exceeded the limits. Venice was ranked fourth, closely followed by Milan, Turin and Padua. Rome was 28th and Naples 29th on the list.
Almost all of the worst affected cities are in northern Italy. Frosinone, south of Rome and an emerging centre of industry, falls outside Italy's traditional “industrial triangle” in the north-west, as does Macerata in Campania and the Sicilian town of Enna.
LETS FACE IT.even a mild dose of flu is enough to push that 9% deaths figure way over the edge.
So why are we in Wakefield copping for this tragedy in Italy.'"
You do know that there have been pollution "red alerts" in the UK too ?
I've not travelled in India but, I have been to both China and Italy and from my experience there was absolutely no comparison.
When you look up into the Sky in China, there is no blue Sky, just a grey haze.
At least in Rome, when the sun shines, you can see the sun.
Although people with breathing issues are more susceptible to the covid virus, as are those people with certain types of diabetes and other health issues, it is the virus that caused so many fatalities.
Without covid19, the vast majority of the victims would still be alive.
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| Quote ="Mick Amos 9 WTW"Genuine question Willzay. What inequalities do you think there are with the black community? I've asked my black friends and got their answers.'"
Education for a start - I know it’s only Kettlethorpe so not exactly top of the range but when I attended there mid 2000’s there were hardly any BAME students and certainly no BAME teaching staff at all. Likewise college and university pretty much the same feat.
Looking at both cabinets I think I only see 5 BAME ministers in total. I think politics, although there have been some positive changes in this regard, is still a massively disproportionate area.
I’ve had a mate admit recently he’s struggled all his life as someone from the BAME community due to the likes of the Daily Mail constantly attacking them with their sensationalist headlines and people like Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage given the airtime and freedom to spout their hatred. He also feels that any mistakes he may make would end up being used to judge his community.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"You do know that there have been pollution "red alerts" in the UK too ?
I've not travelled in India but, I have been to both China and Italy and from my experience there was absolutely no comparison.
When you look up into the Sky in China, there is no blue Sky, just a grey haze.
At least in Rome, when the sun shines, you can see the sun.
Although people with breathing issues are more susceptible to the covid virus, as are those people with certain types of diabetes and other health issues, it is the virus that caused so many fatalities.
Without covid19, the vast majority of the victims would still be alive.'"
Hi wrencat, can you check over my post on page 24 and point out any errors I made regarding the mainstream media's perception of events.
I need to be corrected if I've got anything wrong.
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Quote ="Miro"For those here and in the media who love to use Italy as a yardstick for how "devastating" the C_19 virus is...just consider the report below.
I often say “follow the money” but lets add to that “follow the pollution”. Add to this the mis diagnosis of the disease on many death certificates and a whole different picture arrases.
Just how bad is pollution in Italy?
The countries with the worst pollution are....wait for it....China, Iran, India (and a few tiny countries) All cited when the worst of the virus is reported.
Again I provide links.
https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safe ... s-in-italy
https://www.thelocal.it/20190122/these- ... s-in-italy
Air pollution is a huge problem in Italy. A report in 2018 showed that air quality levels were a red alert for Italy. Way back in early 2011, officials reported that pollution in Italy was reaching crisis levels.
What's particularly troublesome is particle pollution that pervades Italy, and accounts for breathing and heart problems, causing a whopping 9% of deaths of Italians over the age of 30.
In Northern Italy, including big cities like Milan and Turin, has some of the worst pollution in all of Europe[/b. In December 2017, both cities introduced traffic restrictions to try and reduce the impact of smog and air pollution.
Northern cities including Brescia, Lodi, Monza and Venice topped the pollution chart as Italy's environmental agency warned of a pollution "red alert".
Smog and pollution are choking Italian cities year-round and many towns are exceeding their limits on fine particles and other pollution, according to a new report from Italian environmental authority Legambiente.
Its annual report, published this week, warned that 2018's figures were a “red alert" for Italy.
At least one of two daily pollution limits, on fine particles and ozone emissions, was exceeded in 55 of Italy’s regional capitals.
Unsurprisingly many of Italy’s big cities exceeded the limits. Venice was ranked fourth, closely followed by Milan, Turin and Padua. Rome was 28th and Naples 29th on the list.
Almost all of the worst affected cities are in northern Italy. Frosinone, south of Rome and an emerging centre of industry, falls outside Italy's traditional “industrial triangle” in the north-west, as does Macerata in Campania and the Sicilian town of Enna.
LETS FACE IT.even a mild dose of flu is enough to push that 9% deaths figure way over the edge.
So why are we in Wakefield copping for this tragedy in Italy.'"
Italy is quite an interesting case study; aging population and in particular the region Lombardy suffered the highest regional death toll in 2018 - 99,542 compared to its closest rival Lazio (much lower) - 57,289. It's hardly surprising that in 2020 history repeats itself as once again Lombardy is severely hit with the highest number of COVID deaths in Italy - 16,407 out of total 34,371 occurred in this region. Some serious questions need to be asked of the Italian authorities.
In terms of the UK, I was reading an article by the Telegraph last night published in 2018 called 'Ineffective flu jab blamed as extra winter deaths hit 40-year high ' I happen to notice information was provided by to the media by a certain Dr Jenny Harries (Press conference lady repin the NHS) she said "The winter of 2017/18 saw an intense flu season and some very cold weather. Such weather particularly affects people who are already vulnerable, increasing the risk of heart attack and stroke. We are working closely with other public and community health and care systems to advise people how to Stay Well This Winter and we have made new flu vaccines available, including a more effective vaccine for all adults aged 65 and over. We urge all vulnerable groups to take up the offer of the flu vaccine.”
I then unearthed last night an interesting article published by the highly respected British Medical Journal on their website called 'Government exaggerates flu mortality again: why cannot the public be trusted with the truth?' The end of the article states "On this basis, the number of deaths in England and Wales in an admittedly exceptionally bad year would have been only in the region of 335-340 deaths, and the ONS seem to have exaggerated the risk to the public by in the region of 150 times. The House of Commons Science and Technology Committee have been complaining about low flu vaccine uptake again but we do not even have any information about the vaccination status of the people who died. There are serious ethical issues both for medicine and government here which have yet to be addressed."
Make of it what you will but there is so much corruption here it's unreal.
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Quote ="Miro"For those here and in the media who love to use Italy as a yardstick for how "devastating" the C_19 virus is...just consider the report below.
I often say “follow the money” but lets add to that “follow the pollution”. Add to this the mis diagnosis of the disease on many death certificates and a whole different picture arrases.
Just how bad is pollution in Italy?
The countries with the worst pollution are....wait for it....China, Iran, India (and a few tiny countries) All cited when the worst of the virus is reported.
Again I provide links.
https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safe ... s-in-italy
https://www.thelocal.it/20190122/these- ... s-in-italy
Air pollution is a huge problem in Italy. A report in 2018 showed that air quality levels were a red alert for Italy. Way back in early 2011, officials reported that pollution in Italy was reaching crisis levels.
What's particularly troublesome is particle pollution that pervades Italy, and accounts for breathing and heart problems, causing a whopping 9% of deaths of Italians over the age of 30.
In Northern Italy, including big cities like Milan and Turin, has some of the worst pollution in all of Europe[/b. In December 2017, both cities introduced traffic restrictions to try and reduce the impact of smog and air pollution.
Northern cities including Brescia, Lodi, Monza and Venice topped the pollution chart as Italy's environmental agency warned of a pollution "red alert".
Smog and pollution are choking Italian cities year-round and many towns are exceeding their limits on fine particles and other pollution, according to a new report from Italian environmental authority Legambiente.
Its annual report, published this week, warned that 2018's figures were a “red alert" for Italy.
At least one of two daily pollution limits, on fine particles and ozone emissions, was exceeded in 55 of Italy’s regional capitals.
Unsurprisingly many of Italy’s big cities exceeded the limits. Venice was ranked fourth, closely followed by Milan, Turin and Padua. Rome was 28th and Naples 29th on the list.
Almost all of the worst affected cities are in northern Italy. Frosinone, south of Rome and an emerging centre of industry, falls outside Italy's traditional “industrial triangle” in the north-west, as does Macerata in Campania and the Sicilian town of Enna.
LETS FACE IT.even a mild dose of flu is enough to push that 9% deaths figure way over the edge.
So why are we in Wakefield copping for this tragedy in Italy.'"
Italy is quite an interesting case study; aging population and in particular the region Lombardy suffered the highest regional death toll in 2018 - 99,542 compared to its closest rival Lazio (much lower) - 57,289. It's hardly surprising that in 2020 history repeats itself as once again Lombardy is severely hit with the highest number of COVID deaths in Italy - 16,407 out of total 34,371 occurred in this region. Some serious questions need to be asked of the Italian authorities.
In terms of the UK, I was reading an article by the Telegraph last night published in 2018 called 'Ineffective flu jab blamed as extra winter deaths hit 40-year high ' I happen to notice information was provided by to the media by a certain Dr Jenny Harries (Press conference lady repin the NHS) she said "The winter of 2017/18 saw an intense flu season and some very cold weather. Such weather particularly affects people who are already vulnerable, increasing the risk of heart attack and stroke. We are working closely with other public and community health and care systems to advise people how to Stay Well This Winter and we have made new flu vaccines available, including a more effective vaccine for all adults aged 65 and over. We urge all vulnerable groups to take up the offer of the flu vaccine.”
I then unearthed last night an interesting article published by the highly respected British Medical Journal on their website called 'Government exaggerates flu mortality again: why cannot the public be trusted with the truth?' The end of the article states "On this basis, the number of deaths in England and Wales in an admittedly exceptionally bad year would have been only in the region of 335-340 deaths, and the ONS seem to have exaggerated the risk to the public by in the region of 150 times. The House of Commons Science and Technology Committee have been complaining about low flu vaccine uptake again but we do not even have any information about the vaccination status of the people who died. There are serious ethical issues both for medicine and government here which have yet to be addressed."
Make of it what you will but there is so much corruption here it's unreal.
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| Quote ="Miro"I don't think you understand the power of, lets say marketing, promoting, advertisements, propoganda. Billions is spent upon persuading people to part with there hard earned cash. Yes, we have freedom of choice but trust me, they don't spend billions on the understanding that people simply have free choice. It's a whole lot more complicated than that, As this scamdemic has show,
The BBC....They lie. How? they lie by ommision. an example..during Brexit, Hardly a mention, if any, of the terrible "yellow vests" demonstrations in Paris or the Catalonian demonstrations. Maybe before Brexit but certainly not during, a situation I was monitoring. Why? Because it did not fit there pro remain stance. I mean, we could hardly be allowed to see how disgruntled the French were at that time. Notice how they also made sure EU flags were flying in the background of outside broadcasts. Yeah, very subtle.
As for the anti antisemitism attacks on Jeremy Corbin at every interview...the mind doth boggle. We, in this household, sat screaming at the television..."B........x to that, what about the workers?" (or words to that effect)
A "conspiracy" takes many forms. Though to be fair I never used that term.'"
I work in Technology in Retail sector so I know about the power of advertising. I'm not worried about it in regulated industries.
Media I have a downer on but in a very different way to you.
I don't believe they have helped this crisis at all but certainly not by being in a conspiracy with the government. The media is so set on a story they try to create one and miss what is actually needed.
I couldn't care less whether someone is ashamed of their trip to Durham or not. I want to know what the government is actually intending to do. And how they have performed.
Media need to be monitored more closely and sanctioned where they lie or change the facts for someone's gain.... Whoever that is.
We are not a long way apart but we just draw different conclusions.
It's no different to the 2 fans that see a high penalty count. One sees a bias in the refs decisions, the other sees poor discipline in his team. The facts remain the same but neither knows the thoughts of player or ref. They draw that conclusion on their own.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I work in Technology in Retail sector so I know about the power of advertising. I'm not worried about it in regulated industries.
Media I have a downer on but in a very different way to you.
I don't believe they have helped this crisis at all but certainly not by being in a conspiracy with the government. The media is so set on a story they try to create one and miss what is actually needed.
I couldn't care less whether someone is ashamed of their trip to Durham or not. I want to know what the government is actually intending to do. And how they have performed.
Media need to be monitored more closely and sanctioned where they lie or change the facts for someone's gain.... Whoever that is.
We are not a long way apart but we just draw different conclusions.
It's no different to the 2 fans that see a high penalty count. One sees a bias in the refs decisions, the other sees poor discipline in his team. The facts remain the same but neither knows the thoughts of player or ref. They draw that conclusion on their own.'"
Everyone on here seems to imply Cummings was on a casual joy ride around Durham doing a bit of sight seeing with the family. Not true, Domnic Cummings is classified as a key worker and has an exemption to be traveling about if he cannot work from home. The reason he was spotted visiting Barnard Castle was to see Glaxosmithkline (GSK) in order to help them enter a vaccine collaboration group between the former GSK President Sir Patrick Vallance and the rest of the UK Government, Hancock, Boris & co. The media make it out as though he was taking the mickey, he wasn't he was sorting out the vaccine for us.
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"Everyone on here seems to imply Cummings was on a casual joy ride around Durham doing a bit of sight seeing with the family. Not true, Domnic Cummings is classified as a key worker and has an exemption to be traveling about if he cannot work from home. The reason he was spotted visiting Barnard Castle was to see Glaxosmithkline (GSK) in order to help them enter a vaccine collaboration group between the former GSK President Sir Patrick Vallance and the rest of the UK Government, Hancock, Boris & co. The media make it out as though he was taking the mickey, he wasn't he was sorting out the vaccine for us.'"
Bet his wife and kids really enjoyed that day out then. On what authority do you state the above??
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"Everyone on here seems to imply Cummings was on a casual joy ride around Durham doing a bit of sight seeing with the family. Not true, Domnic Cummings is classified as a key worker and has an exemption to be traveling about if he cannot work from home. The reason he was spotted visiting Barnard Castle was to see Glaxosmithkline (GSK) in order to help them enter a vaccine collaboration group between the former GSK President Sir Patrick Vallance and the rest of the UK Government, Hancock, Boris & co. The media make it out as though he was taking the mickey, he wasn't he was sorting out the vaccine for us.'"
That's quite a switch there MT.
Are you saying he was part of the conspiracy or innocently trying to get vaccine?
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"Everyone on here seems to imply Cummings was on a casual joy ride around Durham doing a bit of sight seeing with the family. Not true, Domnic Cummings is classified as a key worker and has an exemption to be traveling about if he cannot work from home. The reason he was spotted visiting Barnard Castle was to see Glaxosmithkline (GSK) in order to help them enter a vaccine collaboration group between the former GSK President Sir Patrick Vallance and the rest of the UK Government, Hancock, Boris & co. The media make it out as though he was taking the mickey, he wasn't he was sorting out the vaccine for us.'"
Mmm. Pity he doesn't have access to the internet, surprising what you can organise when you're connected. Would have saved him all that fuel as well!
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| Quote ="PopTart"That's quite a switch there MT.
Are you saying he was part of the conspiracy or innocently trying to get vaccine?'"
I just follow the evidence available. I'd suspect he was getting the vaccine deal completed out of financial gain and possibly in the hope of saving lives. Maybe he never gave it a consideration and was just following orders. I can't get inside the head of Cummings, you'd have to put the question to him.
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| Quote ="1315trinity"Mmm. Pity he doesn't have access to the internet, surprising what you can organise when you're connected. Would have saved him all that fuel as well!'"
Computers leave a trace for decision making and can be used against you in a court of law. Decisions made in person verbally between people aren't recorded and can never be validated to be true or false.
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"I just follow the evidence available. I'd suspect he was getting the vaccine deal completed out of financial gain and possibly in the hope of saving lives. Maybe he never gave it a consideration and was just following orders. I can't get inside the head of Cummings, you'd have to put the question to him.'"
Well I certainly don't have any insider info. Mine all comes from mainstream media but I wonder why he didn't mention it when he was being interviewed. Surely that was his get out of jail card?
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| Oh wait. Sorry. I didn't see your conspiracy in your post. That's a lot of effort for a wind up.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Education for a start - I know it’s only Kettlethorpe so not exactly top of the range but when I attended there mid 2000’s there were hardly any BAME students and certainly no BAME teaching staff at all. Likewise college and university pretty much the same feat.
Looking at both cabinets I think I only see 5 BAME ministers in total. I think politics, although there have been some positive changes in this regard, is still a massively disproportionate area.
I’ve had a mate admit recently he’s struggled all his life as someone from the BAME community due to the likes of the Daily Mail constantly attacking them with their sensationalist headlines and people like Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage given the airtime and freedom to spout their hatred. He also feels that any mistakes he may make would end up being used to judge his community.'"
In 2005 Kettlethorpe High School had 5% ethnic minority students which would be proportionate based on the population census 2001/2011 for Wakefield.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Education for a start - I know it’s only Kettlethorpe so not exactly top of the range but when I attended there mid 2000’s there were hardly any BAME students and certainly no BAME teaching staff at all. Likewise college and university pretty much the same feat.
Looking at both cabinets I think I only see 5 BAME ministers in total. I think politics, although there have been some positive changes in this regard, is still a massively disproportionate area.
I’ve had a mate admit recently he’s struggled all his life as someone from the BAME community due to the likes of the Daily Mail constantly attacking them with their sensationalist headlines and people like Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage given the airtime and freedom to spout their hatred. He also feels that any mistakes he may make would end up being used to judge his community.'"
Looking at a few areas, it isn't as bad as some people may feel it is.
Population is - 84.6% White, 15.4% BAME.
Parliament - 90% White, 10% of Parliament is BAME
NHS - 72% White, 28% BAME.
Further Education - (2017/1icon_cool.gif White 76.8% in Further Education. Black people made up 6.6% of all further education participants, and 3.6% of the overall population. (based on 2017 population estimates from the Office for National Statistics)
Football - November 1978, roughly one in every three players (33%) making an England debut has been BME. In 2017/18 Premier League season 33% of players were from BAME.
Income - BAME Indian and Chinese earn more than their white counterparts.
Deaths in UK Police Custody - In 10 years there has been 85% of deaths been white. 15% BAME.
There are some over proportional areas for BAME there. Things could improve in some areas for BAME and it isn't for the want of trying. Lots of jobs including the Police have had what the term Positive discrimination where only BAME can apply.
We are one of, if not the most tolerant, caring and diverse places to live. My black friends haven't had any problems in a very long time. An odd idiot every now and again but nothing major.
I'll be honest I'm a proud Englishman and proud of our country and all folk of any ethnicity and heritage. Still work in progress in some areas but certainly not as negative as I've seen.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Oh wait. Sorry. I didn't see your conspiracy in your post. That's a lot of effort for a wind up.'"
It's about time you provided a detailed account of how you've seen the past few months events unfold. Up until now you've posted a lot on this thread but provided very little perspective. I'm here to share information to others and understand other peoples point of view of this crisis. It would be helpful if you would share your views as you seem to question my facts with hints of mockery.
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| [code[/code Quote ="PopTart"Well I certainly don't have any insider info. Mine all comes from mainstream media but I wonder why he didn't mention it when he was being interviewed. Surely that was his get out of jail card?'"
Conflict of interest breach? He was under investigation last year in connection to the NHS app. He's a chief advisor / strategist. Its not his role to be dealing with that sector unless you're corrupt of course. Wait my bad, politicians are not historically corrupt, forget I said anything! That's the basis of my argument, this plandemic is corrupt to the core. It's all about money and control. If you think for one second this government are desparate to benefit you then you are extremely gullible.
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"It's about time you provided a detailed account of how you've seen the past few months events unfold. Up until now you've posted a lot on this thread but provided very little perspective. I'm here to share information to others and understand other peoples point of view of this crisis. It would be helpful if you would share your views as you seem to question my facts with hints of mockery.'"
My views are pretty clear.
I believe there is a coronavirus pandemic. I don't believe it's fake.
I do believe that time will tell us that many people who died of coronavirus would have died of other things normally.
I believe the government have tried to do their best and I think a lockdown has saved a lot of lives. I believe that some politicians are out for themselves.
I think if we didn't have so many idiots in the country who could follow guidelines we would have saved more lives.
I don't believe Bill Gates or Dominic Cummings are trying to make money out of a vaccine that isn't needed but time may prove me wrong.
I don't believe countries are in league with each other to keep people frightened, nor do I believe the world media is in on that conspiracy either. I could believe pharmaceutical companies would try and make money out of it but have no evidence of that to date.
On other posts.
I believe Black Lives Matter and can't believe that we need civil rights activists in 2020.
I believe it is a criminal offense to graffiti or damage public buildings, statues or street names.
I believe right and left wing activist just looking for trouble and publicity have damaged a very important protest but equally I believe protesting without considering Corona Virus is stupid. At least wear face masks.
I believe people have a right to voice their opinion, as you are doing now, but equally, should not use that freedom to harm others in any way.
I believe the police should be able to apply the law but must remain inside the law themselves.
I think people need to remember Caroline Flack's epitaph.
In a world where you can be anything. Be Kind.
I think that covers it all.
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"[code[/codeConflict of interest breach? He was under investigation last year in connection to the NHS app. He's a chief advisor / strategist. Its not his role to be dealing with that sector unless you're corrupt of course. Wait my bad, politicians are not historically corrupt, forget I said anything! That's the basis of my argument, this plandemic is corrupt to the core. It's all about money and control. If you think for one second this government are desparate to benefit you then you are extremely gullible.'"
I don't necessarily believe they are desperate to benefit me, even though they often do but equally I don't believe they are corrupt either.
If the only evidence of corruption is stuff you've posted I guess I'm still gullible. It's interesting but no more than that. I don't see any evidence that would stand up in court, or even a proper discussion using sound logic.
For all you say it's corrupt and about money, you would make far more than them if your evidence was strong enough to expose them. Every news outlet in the world would through money at you.
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| [list[/list:u Quote ="PopTart"My views are pretty clear.
I believe there is a coronavirus pandemic. I don't believe it's fake.
I do believe that time will tell us that many people who died of coronavirus would have died of other things normally.
I believe the government have tried to do their best and I think a lockdown has saved a lot of lives. I believe that some politicians are out for themselves.
I think if we didn't have so many idiots in the country who could follow guidelines we would have saved more lives.
I don't believe Bill Gates or Dominic Cummings are trying to make money out of a vaccine that isn't needed but time may prove me wrong.
I don't believe countries are in league with each other to keep people frightened, nor do I believe the world media is in on that conspiracy either. I could believe pharmaceutical companies would try and make money out of it but have no evidence of that to date.
On other posts.
I believe Black Lives Matter and can't believe that we need civil rights activists in 2020.
I believe it is a criminal offense to graffiti or damage public buildings, statues or street names.
I believe right and left wing activist just looking for trouble and publicity have damaged a very important protest but equally I believe protesting without considering Corona Virus is stupid. At least wear face masks.
I believe people have a right to voice their opinion, as you are doing now, but equally, should not use that freedom to harm others in any way.
I believe the police should be able to apply the law but must remain inside the law themselves.
I think people need to remember Caroline Flack's epitaph.
In a world where you can be anything. Be Kind.
I think that covers it all.'"
Thank you PopTart appreciate it. I don't confess to having all the answers its just my suspicion that I strongly believe there is more to this Pandemic than the Government would have us know. Our views differ to some degree, I respect and expect that as this crisis affects everyone differently. I suppose history in years to come might be able to tell us who got it right and who got it wrong. Time will tell.
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"[list[/list:uThank you PopTart appreciate it. I don't confess to having all the answers its just my suspicion that I strongly believe there is more to this Pandemic than the Government would have us know. Our views differ to some degree, I respect and expect that as this crisis affects everyone differently. I suppose history in years to come might be able to tell us who got it right and who got it wrong. Time will tell.'"
I'd also like to say that I'm happy for you to have chance to post your views. They are very different to mine at times and when I've given the odd smart answer it's because I've genuinely thought you must be trying to wind people up, which you have justified so I take them back.
I reckon if we knew each other (which we may well do for all I know) we'd have a really good discussion over a beer on this one day. You'd probably frustrate me but I'd really enjoy it.
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"[code[/codeConflict of interest breach? He was under investigation last year in connection to the NHS app. He's a chief advisor / strategist. Its not his role to be dealing with that sector unless you're corrupt of course. Wait my bad, politicians are not historically corrupt, forget I said anything! That's the basis of my argument, this plandemic is corrupt to the core. It's all about money and control. If you think for one second this government are desparate to benefit you then you are extremely gullible.'"
There is a level of corruption in most walks of life, where money is involved, from petty theft to fairly serious stuff.
The whole "pandemic is corrupt" line though is just laughable.
People are dying in every nation on the planet, regardless of colour, creed, ethnicity and more importantly, the situation is similar the world over.
Now, for cries of corruption, you need to know where the winners and loser are in this so, tell me who wins in a world wide "corruption scandal".
The usual enemies are East (China/Russia) vs West (America/Europe) but, I dont see either of these "sides" being in a stronger position than the other.
Are we about to have a new world order or did I miss something ?
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