Not sure what you're saying about Jobs. When all the land is developed there will be hundreds of jobs, you seem to be talking about the one building that is currently being built, the NewCold. Do you think the rest won't be developed?

I know people that travel from all over Wakefield to work on the 41 industrial Estate, so again not sure what you're saying with 'were everyone as to travel to the site'.

I live close to the develpoment and I hope it does gets built, stadium or not.

If that was the case why did YCP a need you ?
What they needed was a level and you were it
What you keep avoiding is , was you told during the PI that there was no promise of a stadium ? Please answer

And I come on here to see if your still saying " can't say anything but it's going to be soon "

There was not enough in to build a stadium even if you built everything,
Again if it was always going to be why did YCP need to build a stadium?
Ask yourself why did YCP agree to every little detail during the PI ? Because they know it was never happening .

My gut feeling is no it won't , give it 2 years or so and they will go for change of use and along will come housing ,that's were the money is.
People travel if there is an infurstructor but there isn't one nor will there be based on 20 jobs

is that someone who dresses up in animal skin to teach others new skills.... I think I heard of them before!!

No wildcat skins though!

I guess you have been looking at the Jones LangLaSalle appraisal and the bottom line for profit.

Have a look further and you may find where they have put in a substantial contribution to the stadium.

Genuinely feel sad for the Wakey fans who just want to watch Wakey and RL in general.
Nothing seems to change year after year, thread after thread

Quote ="TV200"Nimby hell ye I think you will find out that no one objected to the stadium ,but the objection were pointing out that there is no stadium and it was all about warehouses,but no you wouldn't listen . Your point about job's why put a jobs were unemployement is the lowest and were everyone as to travel to the site So what was it 2000 jobs no was it 1500 no was it 800? It's now less than 20 according to NC ( low skilled) Hell of a legacy wakefield the home of the warehouse'" Have to laugh at the 'no one objected to the stadium' propaganda; www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/ ... s-1-972286 Truth is if the warehouses weren't part of the proposals the objectors wouldn't be able to hide behind them in their objection. I suppose while the land was in the process of being transferred YC needed the stadium aspect as a tool to sweeten the deal, but I do agree in believing they never had any intention of fulfilling the agreement.

Quote ="TV200"Nimby hell ye I think you will find out that no one objected to the stadium ,but the objection were pointing out that there is no stadium and it was all about warehouses,but no you wouldn't listen . Your point about job's why put a jobs were unemployement is the lowest and were everyone as to travel to the site So what was it 2000 jobs no was it 1500 no was it 800? It's now less than 20 according to NC ( low skilled) Hell of a legacy wakefield the home of the warehouse'" Have to laugh at the 'no one objected to the stadium' propaganda; www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/ ... s-1-972286 Truth is if the warehouses weren't part of the proposals the objectors wouldn't be able to hide behind them in their objection. I suppose while the land was in the process of being transferred YC needed the stadium aspect as a tool to sweeten the deal, but I do agree in believing they never had any intention of fulfilling the agreement.

Because the site is greater than just the B8 industrial land. The plans include the hotel, restaurant and smaller units, all of which were on GB land. The B8 land, which would include the NC site was coming out of GB in any case.

And 20 jobs, seriously? I think you need to get a new informant because there are a few more than than from my knowledge. Regardless, there will be substantial numbers by the time the whole thing is completed.

You accuse us of being selfish. We are working to preserve an institution that has put Wakefield on the map, been watched by tens of thousands live (thousands these days), and provides the hub for professional sport, sporting education, sporting community activities and provides role models for young people across the district. I think you will find that it is not us who are selfish - I have nothing to gain from all of this, just pride in my club, my City and my own efforts to promote it! I suggest you care nothing but for the price of your house - and for that, there is nothing we could have done which would have prevented what you now have.

Enjoy!

The house price problem really makes me laugh, as it is only a problem if you plan to move. If not house prices don't effect you, unless you are planning to remortgage

I think he's a solicitor representing NGB4C

I do feel some sympathy for the residents living close to the Newcold building, it's an abominational eyesore of that there can be no argument.

The land would have been used for warehousing eventually so as Sandal Cat says there's little to gain by railing against those who were/are fighting for a stadium.

The villains in this are YCP, they NEVER intended to fund a stadium right from the off!
Colin Mackie and his co Directors are lining their pockets with the money intended to provide the City of Wakefield with desperately needed 21st century sports facilities and Wakefield a Trinity with a stadium.

There should be a judicial review of their misrepresentations during the PI by the SoS office.

Great post avenger 100% true

The process of having a stadium attached to a development is the most common way to have a new stadium built. Just look in recent months we've had York and today Grimsby have announced their new stadium all attached to new big developments it's how it's done nowadays.

So why have all these other developments gone ahead as planned with the stadiums being delivered!

Rugby League examples:
DW Stadium
Halliwell Jones
Langtree Park

What have they done differently to what's been done at Newmarket?

If the answer is an honest developer then there's your answer to our problem!

DW Stadium - Development of Robin Park but a very wealthy owner in Dave Whelan

Halliwell Jones - on the back of a development of a TESCO.

Langtree Park - think that is on the back of the development of the old Pilkington site by Langtree Developments.

Don't think any of the above are different to Newmarket. As to the Developers, we'll have to wait and see.

Both DW and halliwell Jones had supermarket involvement to finance the stadiums, not sure about the Langtree but it's rare a stadium is built on its own with no involvement from outside sources. Honest developers are a big help of course, let's see what happens with YC and what will happen with NM or Belle Vue.

Yes I know,
I was asking why when each if these, like ours, was on the back of a wider development hasn't ours been built, what was different?

Hence the question about a developer who has been less than honest.
If that's THE answer then we should know what to do.

I said almost a year ago, YCP have revealed their hand and have or never ever had any intention of paying one penny towards sports facilities Community, Trinity or otherwise. With that knowledge I see no reason to offer YCP any benefit of the doubt whatsoever and I would not trust them to return to the bargaining table with the intent of being honest or showing any integrity.

I would go straight for the jugular and bring in the SoS, a legal team, the WMDC Planning Office, Peter Box, Ed Balls, Sir Patrick Stewart, Michael Parkinson, Bruce Grobelaar, Sophie May Williams, or any one else I could think of in order to force YCP, under threat of legal action, to fulfil their obligation.

Avenger. your spot on bloody brilliant!!!!!!!

And what legal principle would that action be founded upon? I am not party to the secret discussions which we are told are going on - I have just looked at the documents on the council planning portal. It appears from the 106 agreement the stadium contract would be triggered by the building and letting of a certain amount of warehousing and other uses (60,000sq mtr if I recall correctly). The units which would have (and still will) contribute to the stadium contract commencement were all prescribed in terms of size, etc. The new cold unit is nowhere near the scale which was envisaged on the original agreement - hence a completely new planning application had to be submitted, which the council had no legal choice but to approve. However, since this new planning application did not fall under the 106 agreement, the cold store does not contribute to the stadium contract commencement. If they had built a unit only 18m tall then it would have contributed and no-one would be having this argument, we would be well on the way. As far as I can see, anything else which is built on the site (which conforms even vaguely to what was originally agreed by the council and the developer) will contribute towards the stadium contract commencement. It does not appear to me, on these facts, that the developer or the council (who's hands were tied regarding the new planning application) has acted deceitfully. I might be way off with all the above - could TRB let me know if I am anywhere close to understanding the current situation. I see no reason to be despondent - if YC want to build out the site as originally envisaged, the stadium build will be a natural consequence of that.

We sit somewhere between what you have said and what the Avenger has said. I doubt very much that YC would give us anything if we didn't try and keep them focussed on what we want from our side of the bargain. However, whilst bringing the weight of Thor down YC might seem the obvious thing to do, what would happen at the end of a very expensive legal process ( for which we have not money) would be that we would have pee'd off everyone we need to deliver what we want. If it comes to it, so be it, but whilst there is a chance we can avoid that route, we will.

The technician point regarding the application for NC being outside of the 106 is very much up for interpretation!

Thanks for the reply TRB. I did wonder about the fact that just making it taller was sufficient to take it out of the 106 agreement. It seems YC have played a blinder in that case. I think the stance you are taking is the best one in the circumstances - best of luck to you. I still think this could well happen, it may just take a bit longer.

I'm sure it's just an oversight on your part but you've forgotten to add NGB4C to your list, He'd probably be useless but he'd show a lot more passion than that lot.

2 years ago today, outline planning permission was granted for the stadium , yet we are no nearer getting a new ground than we were then...

Believe NOTHING until bricks are being laid. Then you can't get upset about anything. Too many false dawns and smoke and mirrors to get excited about a stadium.