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| Quote ="vastman"Can't see anything to bad there at a quick glance, which bits are worrying you?'" at this rate the council will be capping the attendance for fear of extra traffic by the public using their cars by the reading of it, not everyone walks or uses bikes to get there
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"Looks like we will all have to buy a push bike or pay extortionate bus prices then
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How many cycle racks are there at the Hepworth , and whoever passed that monstrosity of a building off wants keel hauling . More than likely a rhinos fan who’s in charge of wakey ground plans as he still thinks the combustion engine hasn’t got to us yet so need plenty of bike racks . |
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| Quote ="vastman"Can't see anything to bad there at a quick glance, which bits are worrying you?'"
I think they are nit picking, regarding how people travel to the stadium. They moan about increased traffic levels, forecast of an extra 490 cars once stadium is built, (we hope). They just allowed a petrol station with mini super market/coffee takeaway built a hundred yards away from stadium, the recent relief road and new housing/commercial development proposals, how much traffic will/has that increased? The argument of an extra 490 cars on match days is laughable. The stadium plans provide for 40 cycle spaces, apparently this is nowhere near enough.
They want people to find alternatives to a car for travel to the stadium, good luck to away fans, corporate hospitality guests, and the majority of older home fans. Some people in authority, just don’t live in the real world.
Regarding the construction traffic, I’m confident an experienced contractor will be aware of regulations.
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"Looks like we will all have to buy a push bike or pay extortionate bus prices then
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I would not have thought that MC and his team expected this application to sail through without some sort of queries being raised.
The enquires won’t take someone who knows what they are talking about, that long to sort out.
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| Quote ="snowie"at this rate the council will be capping the attendance for fear of extra traffic by the public using their cars by the reading of it, not everyone walks or uses bikes to get there
do you not think the council have gone ott with the recommendations'"
No, not really, not compared to what I have seen in the past. Remember these are recommendations only by people who are paid to make them on certain issues, for there own sakes they have to dot every I and cross every T, Most will be ignored or watered down in consultation. It's like every transaction, you go in hard and then you negotiate to a compromise.
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Knowing how the public sector works, it is all about showing that they have considered all the relevant policies. If anyone sought to have any planning decision overturned, it prospects of success would depend on whether they have properly taken into account this aspect or that aspect.
Concerns have been raised by people whose job it is to raise them. And to be fair to residents, it is true that a fan zone will probably increase noise outside the ground compared to how it was before. But for the decision to be ratified properly, they have to show that they have taken all relevant objections into account before reaching their decision, balancing each accordingly and mitigating where feasible.
As for the car issue, I assume there is a new target for vehicle use. Someone ought to point out that the original plan was for an out-of-town stadium, where nearly everyone would travel by car.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"I think they are nit picking, regarding how people travel to the stadium. They moan about increased traffic levels, forecast of an extra 490 cars once stadium is built, (we hope). They just allowed a petrol station with mini super market/coffee takeaway built a hundred yards away from stadium, the recent relief road and new housing/commercial development proposals, how much traffic will/has that increased? The argument of an extra 490 cars on match days is laughable. =#FF0000The stadium plans provide for 40 cycle spaces, apparently this is nowhere near enough.
They want people to find alternatives to a car for travel to the stadium, good luck to away fans, corporate hospitality guests, and the majority of older home fans. Some people in authority, just don’t live in the real world.
Regarding the construction traffic, I’m confident an experienced contractor will be aware of regulations.
I know I’m biased re the stadium, but this council i find less than helpful.'"
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Ask Leed Rinos how they got over that problem
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Dear Mr Carter and Mr Minards
You application for redevelopment works at Belle Vue Stadium have been turned down on the grounds that they are not in Castleford.
Yours faithfully
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| Quote ="Redscat"Dear Mr Carter and Mr Minards
You application for redevelopment works at Belle Vue Stadium have been turned down on the grounds that they are not in Castleford.
Yours faithfully
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Planning Dept'"
I assume you’re joking otherwise that’s a touch extreme  might have been the case once but I don’t think it’s a major issue now.
There is plenty that could scupper this latest effort but I don’t reckon the Cas issue is a major worry. Truth is I don’t think Cas have faired all that well either. Why every other Council seems to be able to make these developments happen and we can’t is a mystery. |
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Take it there was no concern about noise when the travellers fair were put up.
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It’s just standard planning procedure, same comments will have been made on every sports stadium upgrade in recent years, Can’t see a problem with the Belle Vue application.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Knowing how the public sector works, it is all about showing that they have considered all the relevant policies. If anyone sought to have any planning decision overturned, it prospects of success would depend on whether they have properly taken into account this aspect or that aspect.
Concerns have been raised by people whose job it is to raise them. And to be fair to residents, it is true that a fan zone will probably increase noise outside the ground compared to how it was before. But for the decision to be ratified properly, they have to show that they have taken all relevant objections into account before reaching their decision, balancing each accordingly and mitigating where feasible.
As for the car issue, I assume there is a new target for vehicle use. Someone ought to point out that the original plan was for an out-of-town stadium, where nearly everyone would travel by car.'"
Fanzine!
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Someone in the industry told me we’ve enlisted the services of a top notch planning consultant so these wordy queries from people who are employed to write such analysis doesn’t particularly worry me
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| Quote ="vastman"I assume you’re joking otherwise that’s a touch extreme
might have been the case once but I don’t think it’s a major issue now.
There is plenty that could scupper this latest effort but I don’t reckon the Cas issue is a major worry. Truth is I don’t think Cas have faired all that well either. Why every other Council seems to be able to make these developments happen and we can’t is a mystery.'"
Very much tongue in cheek vasty, but I'm sure that the Box era has left big impressions on some of the remaining members of the Council. Isn't his lady 2nd I. C. still around?
Whilst it doesn't manifest in Castleford town centre itself, just look at the development in Cas over the last few years; all the new housing, the Junction 32 development, the gigantic Xscape complex, new railway station and new bus station. They must be bring ing in millions for our beloved Council. These would all be jewels in the crown of a lead city in a region, let alone a "satellite" town. Hence my facetious remark.
Ps I feel somewhat proud that I nearly got one over on the great vasty 
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Whilst it doesn't manifest in Castleford town centre itself, just look at the development in Cas over the last few years; all the new housing, the Junction 32 development, the gigantic Xscape complex, new railway station and new bus station. They must be bring ing in millions for our beloved Council. These would all be jewels in the crown of a lead city in a region, let alone a "satellite" town. Hence my facetious remark.
Ps I feel somewhat proud that I nearly got one over on the great vasty
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Not sure why you think you’ve got one over me but if it makes you happy..
Anyway I don’t disagree with you but for me it’s a long way down the list from getting the funding in place.
If that happens then I’ll breath again. The council etc may mess about a bit but money talks.
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Latest document posted today 2/2/2021
I’ve only put the one page up on here, there are 34 pages in total, I’m not sure how to post the link, but it’s on the planning portal
Enjoy.
Framework Travel Plan Redevelopment of Belle Vue Stadium
Document Control Sheet
Project Name: Project Ref: Report Title: Doc Ref: Date:
Redevelopment of Belle Vue Stadium 47245/5001
Framework Travel Plan
Rev B
February 2021
Name
Lewis Wardle Olivia Casey Harriet Chapman
Position Signature
Date
20/09/19 20/09/19 20/09/19
Approved
HC
Prepared by: Reviewed by: Approved by:
Revision Date
A 01/02/2021
Graduate Engineer LW Graduate Engineer OC Director HC
For and on behalf of Stantec UK Limited
Description Prepared
Updated development description TW
Reviewed
TW
This report has been prepared by Stantec UK Limited (‘Stantec’) on behalf of its client to whom this report is addressed (‘Client’) in connection with the project described in this report and takes into account the Client's particular instructions and requirements. This report was prepared in accordance with the professional services appointment under which Stantec was appointed by its Client. This report is not intended for and should not be relied on by any third party (i.e. parties other than the Client). Stantec accepts no duty or responsibility (including in negligence) to any party other than the Client and disclaims all liability of any nature whatsoever to any such party in respect of this report.
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Latest document posted today 2/2/2021
I’ve only put the one page up on here, there are 34 pages in total, I’m not sure how to post the link, but it’s on the planning portal
Enjoy.
Framework Travel Plan Redevelopment of Belle Vue Stadium
Document Control Sheet
Project Name: Project Ref: Report Title: Doc Ref: Date:
Redevelopment of Belle Vue Stadium 47245/5001
Framework Travel Plan
Rev B
February 2021
Name
Lewis Wardle Olivia Casey Harriet Chapman
Position Signature
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20/09/19 20/09/19 20/09/19
Approved
HC
Prepared by: Reviewed by: Approved by:
Revision Date
A 01/02/2021
Graduate Engineer LW Graduate Engineer OC Director HC
For and on behalf of Stantec UK Limited
Description Prepared
Updated development description TW
Reviewed
TW
This report has been prepared by Stantec UK Limited (‘Stantec’) on behalf of its client to whom this report is addressed (‘Client’) in connection with the project described in this report and takes into account the Client's particular instructions and requirements. This report was prepared in accordance with the professional services appointment under which Stantec was appointed by its Client. This report is not intended for and should not be relied on by any third party (i.e. parties other than the Client). Stantec accepts no duty or responsibility (including in negligence) to any party other than the Client and disclaims all liability of any nature whatsoever to any such party in respect of this report.
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| 2023 comments in favour and this one made me smile...
Sixty years ago, there was a young lad who lived in Top 'o Wood.
At that time, he thought Belle View could do with a facelift, and - lo and behold - here we are 60 years later, and we are finally going to get one! Not before time! This young lad from Top 'o Wood, is now 77 years young, and lives on The Gold Coast, Australia! But he dreams of seeing the new Belle View Stadium, but maybe that is all he can do now!!
Get the Stadium, and the team will do us proud, so get it up, TOMORROW!
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