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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"I think the whole distance from here/there is a smokescreen. People will travel to watch Trinity. How many hard-core fans go to every home game and most away games too? I see the same faces home and away, week in week out - I cannot and do not believe they will simply stop going because it is a 4 or 5 mile drive further to Glasshoughton. The hard-core will be largely retained, plus new supporters will be drawn in by the promise of the new stadium - wasn't that one of the main plus-points to Trinity getting a new stadium? We have a chance here to increase our revenues and fanbase.
We can spin this ground share as a disaster if we wish, or we can embrace it and make it a massive success.'"
Now you've just got to convince the other 3/4,000 Wakefield fans.
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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"We can spin this ground share as a disaster if we wish, or we can embrace it and make it a massive success.'"
Also an opportunity to market the club to the areas around the new ground. Good potential to grow the fan base there.
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| They will follow the Mighty Trin, I am confident. No way are they going to sit at home when Trinity are playing in a brand spanking new stadium a few miles away. Can you imagine Derby Day.....
SBR - excellent point about the areas around/en route to the Glasshoughton site being potential for picking up new fans. There are a lot of newish housing estates in the Normanton area, for example - many of these people are relatively new to the area and have no long-term family allegiances. They might well be interested in following either club in a comfortable and well-equipped new stadium. Not to mention greater potential for commercial sponsorship/hospitality
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| Quote ="Fully"Lets face it, what is the priority? A stadium for both teams - nothing more, nothing less. Right now, at this present moment in time GH is the logical solution. I know Wakey fans won't want to hear it and I don't like saying it but it is.'"
Do you think a feasibility study will consider what looks best now, or what is actually the best long-term solution / location? Will it be swayed by (RFL) time frames when considering where to spend the best part of 20 million quid (or more) on a new stadium, with the distinct possibility that neither stadium would be ready on time anyway? I'm not being antagonistic, Fully, it's a genuine question. I don't know to what extent the RFL deadline will hold sway here.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"Do you think a feasibility study will consider what looks best now, or what is actually the best long-term solution / location? Will it be swayed by (RFL) time frames when considering where to spend the best part of 20 million quid (or more) on a new stadium, with the distinct possibility that neither stadium would be ready on time anyway? I'm not being antagonistic, Fully, it's a genuine question. I don't know to what extent the RFL deadline will hold sway here.'"
I think J32 still holds the best future for both clubs, both long-term and short-term. That's not me being biased, that's just the way I see it.
Newmarket has no potential benefits for Castleford; Wakefield moving to Glasshoughton does. You can market yourselves as a "district" club rather than a city club, your fans will already have most of the facilities nearby or on site and there is no dispute over J30 anymore.
It would solve a lot of issues.
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| What does not seem to get a mention on here is the part that Leeds City Council play in the Newmarket scheme and their decision not to back the scheme.As for Glasshoughton the new link road from Wakey is already in place and travelling time is less than 10 minutes from BV.
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| Quote ="Chairman Miaow"I think the whole distance from here/there is a smokescreen. People will travel to watch Trinity. How many hard-core fans go to every home game and most away games too? I see the same faces home and away, week in week out - I cannot and do not believe they will simply stop going because it is a 4 or 5 mile drive further to Glasshoughton. The hard-core will be largely retained, plus new supporters will be drawn in by the promise of the new stadium - wasn't that one of the main plus-points to Trinity getting a new stadium? We have a chance here to increase our revenues and fanbase.
We can spin this ground share as a disaster if we wish, or we can embrace it and make it a massive success.
NGBFC - I agree, the Cup semi had some effect on keeping us up. To be honest, I had forgotten all about it - still haunted by that first 20 minutes.......'"
Good post but I do think Newmarket will be more logical as it is on the border. Travelling from Lupset to Newmarket is the same distance from the middle of Cas to Newmarket. Ours is private funding which the state of goverment money is terrible; so our ground must tick that box pardon the pun. I think Newmarket will be better for cas fans as we are the City and playing out of the city some Wakey fans will point blank refuse I won't but I can understand the principal. Where as playing 3 mile out of Cas the little town won't be too bad for Cas fans or it shouldnt be.
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| Quote ="The Trip"What does not seem to get a mention on here is the part that Leeds City Council play in the Newmarket scheme and their decision not to back the scheme.As for Glasshoughton the new link road from Wakey is already in place and travelling time is less than 10 minutes from BV.'"
Precisely. The transport links are solved and both councils can be happy in their situations.
Incidentally, the feasibility will take 3 weeks to complete.
And NGB4C - think you should change your name to NewgroundatthesametimeatCaswhichisdisappointingbutohwellwe'vegottoacceptit.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Good post but I do think Newmarket will be more logical as it is on the border. Travelling from Lupset to Newmarket is the same distance from the middle of Cas to Newmarket. Ours is private funding which the state of goverment money is terrible; so our ground must tick that box pardon the pun. I think Newmarket will be better for cas fans as we are the City and playing out of the city some Wakey fans will point blank refuse I won't but I can understand the principal. Where as playing 3 mile out of Cas the little town won't be too bad for Cas fans or it shouldnt be.'"
Time is not on the side of Newmarket. Franchise applications are due to be in by January ? Newmarket may not even have an approval by then. It has to be Glasshoughton
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| Quote ="Fully"Precisely. The transport links are solved and both councils can be happy in their situations.
Incidentally, the feasibility will take 3 weeks to complete.
And NGB4C - think you should change your name to NewgroundatthesametimeatCaswhichisdisappointingbutohwellwe'vegottoacceptit.'"
I'd have just used the last 3 letters myself but hey ho.
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| Now, now play nicely mate. We're all deeply hurting inside at the moment. We have to show compassion to each other.
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| Wheres the Armadillo think we need him now????
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| Would some one tell me where the extra funding that is required for GH will come from.Why would York Court put their money into GH what do they get out of it.
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| Quote ="1948er"Would some one tell me where the extra funding that is required for GH will come from.Why would York Court put their money into GH what do they get out of it.'"
Do Yorkcourt still not own the land at Newmarket? Therefore, they'll still be able to push ahead with their own plans for there.
What do Cas/Waystone get out of moving to Newmarket having spent a lot of money on Glasshoughton? Works both ways.
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| It personally makes no difference to me where Trinity play, my concern would be, if it were to be at Glasshoughton, whose ground would it be?
If Trinity were just lodgers then, the writing would be on the wall. I can imagine a large number of Cas fans creaming themselves at the thought.
If, however, the ground was joint owned, that’s a different prospect.
But, at the end of the day, both clubs can stagger on from season to season, winning jack-all. Whilst unpalatable, a joint club is IMO is the only way to have serious ambitions to win some silverware.
I can understand Cas fans exulting the virtues of Glasshoughton, I wonder if they would go and watch a merged team there, and not one with the name Castleford in it?
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| It's about time a completely new merged team was on the agenda. I have been watching Wakey since 1960 and would not have any problems with a merged team as long as there was no senior partner.
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| Yes York Court can still go ahead with their plans for Newmarket so why would they put money into GH
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| Great post. I think that after a few seasons, maybe just the lifetime of one licence, both teams would be reaping the benefits of the shared, jointly-owned ground. Thoughts would naturally turn to a merged club. I agree that this is the only way to challenge the big clubs, and with the talent this district generates (which now is snaffled by Leeds, Bradford, etc.) we would as a merged club be able to retain this and genuinely be contenders. Some fans would rather see us just limping along forever, looking over our shoulder until the RFL find a legit way to get rid of us. I, however, believe the club should take control of their own destiny.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"It personally makes no difference to me where Trinity play, my concern would be, if it were to be at Glasshoughton, whose ground would it be?
If Trinity were just lodgers then, the writing would be on the wall. I can imagine a large number of Cas fans creaming themselves at the thought.
If, however, the ground was joint owned, that’s a different prospect.
But, at the end of the day, both clubs can stagger on from season to season, winning jack-all. Whilst unpalatable, a joint club is IMO is the only way to have serious ambitions to win some silverware.
I can understand Cas fans exulting the virtues of Glasshoughton, I wonder if they would go and watch a merged team there, and not one with the name Castleford in it?'"
I would ,if the team was playing at GH
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| Quote ="1948er"Would some one tell me where the extra funding that is required for GH will come from.Why would York Court put their money into GH what do they get out of it.'"
Planning permission at Newmarket for their proposed development excluding a Community Stadium.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Planning permission at Newmarket for their proposed development excluding a Community Stadium.'"
Add to that, people seem to think that Yorkcourt are putting limited, if any, money into the Wakefield project anyway. They wouldn't be losing out much. Waystone and Cas would.
At least this way we can preach about being the only true derby? Hull's are in the same city, we're in the same stadium - beat that!
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| think we are in a minority though Chairman
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| Merger, yes. Groundshare, no.
I'm all for a groundshare. I stop at that though. I will not support a unified club if it pains me.
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| That did occur to me, but I thought I was being just a bit too cynical. They might well be looking at a scaled-down version of the original plan. This may even have been their contingency plan all along, who knows. Some of these developers are masters of the long game.
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| Quote ="ParanoidAndroid"I'd have just used the last 3 letters myself but hey ho.'"
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