PT, what's the max total number of IMG points available to us on the results side of things in the championship.

The club officials at Fev knew last season it was now or never in terms of SL, and if promotion had been based on the regular season it would have paid off, but as you say in knockout games anything can happen. The IMG system is so unfavourable towards Fev that there's little point in making such a big financial push this year as even winning the Grand Final and the 1895 Cup would still leave us with zero chance of making SL.

Toulouse are not spending either, they lost their best player from last season Josh Ralph for financial reasons and still haven't replaced him at half back, they're a shadow of the side they were in 2021 when they were very good.

I'm not really sure where any opposition to Wakefield could come from this season, Bradford at least have the benefit of some continuity this year and might finish second by default unless York, who have made some good signings, finally come good. At the moment it looks like the weakest Championship since the pre-Toronto days and of course unlike previous years it's unlikely the play-offs will have much impact on who gets promoted.

It's quite a complicated calculation.
Give me a minute and I'll explain.

And that's what Rugby League has become, winning isn't everything.

Sadly with the precarious state of the game and some of the clubs it’s the route we have to go down in the short term.

Hopefully in the next 5 or so years with the improvements being driven by IMG we can return to a system where winning and losing are the process by which teams position in the top flight are decided.

So......this is how it works

Each year you get points for your league position.
We got 2.77 last year for finishing 12th. It starts at 4 for top and reduces by 0.11 each position.
Additionally, the league final position is judged after playoffs, so if you finish second, or 14th if in Championship, but win the grand final, you are judged as position 1 (or 13th). Same for 2nd 3rd 4th etc.

Then, you get an extra 0.25 for winning GF. So final league position isn't as important as winning through the playoffs.

THEN (sorry I said it was complicated)
Your league score for last 3 years are added together to get an average.

Ours are currently
2023 - 2.779
2022 - 3.001
2021 - 3.001

The new score for 2024 will replace 2021.
The sum divided by 3 to get the average.

Then all those averages are put into a new table order and if anyone has changed positions, the new numbers are allocated, with 4 for top and reduced again by 0.111

So, on the last scores, over 3 years, we were 12th, so got 2.78 points.

No-one above us can fall lower than 12. Only Toulouse can get above us.

So to answer the original question, the answer is, we need to do better than Toulouse.
If we win GF then we've nothing to worry about. If we lose in the GF to Toulouse we will just fall below them on the Performance points...... unless we win the 1895 Cup, then we'd be above again.

It's quite tight. Primary goal, be better on the field than Toulouse.

People saying league position doesn't matter are not correct. Of course there are other factors to decide if we make SL, but the points on offer for GF and 1895 are a big impact as only 1 team can get each of the points

Thanks for this PT.

Very useful information very well put.

Actually, I didn't answer the specific question.
Max number of points we can get is
2.78 for league position
0.25 for GF win
0.1 for 1895

Giving us a max of 3.13 out of a max of 5.
Which is above the points 9th place in SL gets (assuming they don't win CC)

Not sure of your maths there PT 'cos we got 12.52 points + 3.13 (best case scenario, I know) =15.65 which is a Grade A and would put us 6th according to this table (or have I missed something ??)... https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ra ... e-a-status

Not sure of your maths there PT 'cos we got 12.52 points + 3.13 (best case scenario, I know) =15.65 which is a Grade A and would put us 6th according to this table (or have I missed something ??)... https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ra ... e-a-status

Quote ="FIL"Not sure of your maths there PT 'cos we got 12.52 points + 3.13 (best case scenario, I know) =15.65 which is a Grade A and would put us 6th according to this table (or have I missed something ??)... https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ra ... e-a-status'" That's a list of our total points across all categories. I was referring to the Performance section of that number. Last year we got 2.78 in the performance section to take us to that total of 12.52. If we got the max 3.13 by winning everything we would improve our score by 0.35. If nothing else changed we'd be on 12.87. When you think we probably get an extra point for the new stand it would put us as the highest B. Of course others are improving too.

Quote ="FIL"Not sure of your maths there PT 'cos we got 12.52 points + 3.13 (best case scenario, I know) =15.65 which is a Grade A and would put us 6th according to this table (or have I missed something ??)... https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ra ... e-a-status'" That's a list of our total points across all categories. I was referring to the Performance section of that number. Last year we got 2.78 in the performance section to take us to that total of 12.52. If we got the max 3.13 by winning everything we would improve our score by 0.35. If nothing else changed we'd be on 12.87. When you think we probably get an extra point for the new stand it would put us as the highest B. Of course others are improving too.

I'll move all this to another thread when I get chance as this should really be about Duel reg.
Happy to discuss it though.

Looking at a sort of worse-case scenario for us next season, does that mean that if somehow we don't win the Championship and Toulouse somehow does, as long as we finish in 2nd say and lose the 1895 final, will that still make us one of the IMG top 12, making us qualify for SL. If Leigh has another decent year they'd overtake us, if not already for the CC win, and then there's Cas and the supposed wrong score they sent in or whatever it was. If they say finish 10th in SL for example and pick up other small gains like we have and are gonna do like LED advertising boards etc, could they overtake us if we don't win the lot or at least win the League and final

Man the different scenarios and outcomes although our part of it doiesn't include too many clubs, it's enough to give you a headache.

Well yes, but remember we have at least an extra point because the new stand wasn't considered in the last assessment.
And probably a bit more in finance section.

So it puts us in a good position.

Thank you very much for that reply PT,much appreciated

League Express reporting that Wigan are currently missing Ethan Havard and Junior Nsemba due to pre-season injuries but now Sam Walters has done his collar bone and Sam Eseh has done his hamstring and "[iboth are set for several months on the sidelines[/i"
So it looks like there won't be any forwards coming our way any time soon !!

If wouldn’t surprise me if we send a forward the other way if they get another injury. We have Bain to come back in so could probably at this moment in time assist with a prop/forward for the odd game if needed. I suppose Wigan would ask if they felt urgency and it was needed.

Havard & Walters are big misses for the WCC this weekend, that’ll hurt

Big Mister's, yes....but I'd like to see you call Havard a "Big Miss" to his face

Ah, no problem for The Avenger.....


He'd outpace him.....

mutually ended as Wigan have now agreed with Barrow.

Makes sense, they're more likely to take the fringe players.

The only time I could’ve seen us utilise it is potentially at full back if needed. Suppose that could be fulfilled with a loan so dual reg seems somewhat unnecessary now for both clubs.

Makes sense really as Trinity hand the depth to cover most circumstances and it doesn’t mean players cannot be loaned out to Wigan from Trinity it just means it would take a bit more paperwork and time to do so.

Wigan probably want to get some players out regularly without that hassle and Trinity don’t need them.

Correct, in fact we can loan players from anybody if we wish. Personally I'm delighted that we haven't needed to as yet.

We've now got Noah Booth to cover full back