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| Quote ="wrencat1873"And we are missing Whitbread, Jowitt, Lyne.
It will be 40+ to Saints and not many for us
I really hope that we can make something of a game of it as time is not on our side but, this could get very messy.'"
Will Lyne really be missed , I’ll stick my neck out and say NO , dagger in for jowitt seems a simple enough swap , so not too too much upheaval really
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Will Lyne really be missed , I’ll stick my neck out and say NO , dagger in for jowitt seems a simple enough swap , so not too too much upheaval really'"
Lyne is usually our biggest yard maker.
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| Well we have managed to win 4 games and I did not expect any of those wins as I made my way to the ground. Looking at the Saints squad I don't expect to win this one either. What I am expecting is a right old mullering .
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| Well I’m going to be ultra realistic which will seem like pessimism!
I expect St Helens to pile a big score on us while also keeping us to nil or just one 2nd half try and that will be the end of our hopes for survival. The points difference between us and Cas will be so wide that only winning 2 more games while hoping Cas don’t win any would offer us any hope of getting off the bottom and that ain’t happening.
Our team selection and performance against Castleford a few weeks ago epitomised all that’s wrong in the club and that result more than many others was a betrayal of the fans on the terraces
The season has been a disaster of our own making, a couple of half decent signings and a competent Coach would have seen us above a terrible Castleford team but the owners got it wrong, terribly wrong and have continued to get it wrong till it’s too late.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Lyne is usually our biggest yard maker.'"
He is but also one of our biggest liabilities in edge defence. Luckily we have Croft to step in. I’m thinking we may see Kay/Croft at centres.
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Senior player well initially with 4 try’s and put in space but he’s not been great since.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"
The season has been a disaster of our own making, a couple of half decent signings and a competent Coach would have seen us above a terrible Castleford team but the owners got it wrong, terribly wrong and have continued to get it wrong till it’s too late.'"
Totally agree
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"He is but also one of our biggest liabilities in edge defence. Luckily we have Croft to step in. I’m thinking we may see Kay/Croft at centres.
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Senior player well initially with 4 try’s and put in space but he’s not been great since.'"
Although, there is definitely need for change, to replace 1-5 with an untried untested back line is taking high risk to a whole new level.
Like Avenger, I'm genuinely fearful of Saints putting a big number on us tomorrow and dont see us getting more than one try (if we're lucky).
We have to replace Jowitt & Lyne but, I dont see those 5 coming in.
Also, I'd rather see Kay around the ruck at #9 or as interchange hooker.
For an unexpected change, maybe we'll see Senior cover FB and put Franco on the wing ?
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| Looking at the Saints 1-7 it seems almost inevitable that they will score a bucketful of points, when all we can match them with is effort.
The softly,softly approach by Mash for the Cas disaster needs to be replaced by blood and thunder.
We need the effort we showed against Wire,(I know they were crap at the time) but anything less could be embarrassing,so lets go down fighting!
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| Quote ="PopTart"Lyne is usually our biggest yard maker.'"
Someone's said this before, but does it include crabbing across the field effectively making no yards? Running in to the middle seems more his choice move than towards the try line.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"
Our team selection and performance against Castleford a few weeks ago epitomised all that’s wrong in the club and that result more than many others was a betrayal of the fans on the terraces.'"
Spot on. I've never left a game in 30+ years feeling as cheated as that performance.
How on earth can you get into a game and arm wrestle when one of your starting front row is Proctor a player who does 15-20 mins tops with the majority with his hands on his knees blowing out of his backside. You're effectively starting every match with a player less.
For some reason Applegarth doesn't see this or he does but as I suspect his hands are tied. Also saying its just another game, well it wasn't to the supporters who knew our super league future depended on winning. Cas knew this that's why they changed the coach.
Hilariously in his interview with JD he now says with four games left they'll be consequences for under performance.
He was the wrong man last September and he's wrong now.
Why he's still in a job is probably because he's a patsy for Carter and Minards. The sooner the three of them are gone the better then we the fans can start getting behind the rebuild of the mess they've left.
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| Quote ="trin77"
Why he's still in a job is probably because he's a patsy for Carter and Minards. The sooner the three of them are gone the better then we the fans can start getting behind the rebuild of the mess they've left.'"
How on earth is he a patsy for Carter and Minards?
It's not in their interests for us to lose.
I don't disagree about Proctor though. His stats are actually good while on the field but if he can't do more than 20 minutes he needs to go home.
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| You say it’s not in their interests to lose so why are they persisting with a coach who isn’t up to scratch.
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| Cas keep giving us chances to stay in it but the team won’t take advantage.
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| Quote ="Willzay"You say it’s not in their interests to lose so why are they persisting with a coach who isn’t up to scratch.'"
Don't know. But I'm pretty sure it's not because they are trying to make us lose.
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| A little bit of hope, should be snuffed out again by 1530 tomorrow, if not sooner.
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| Quote ="PopTart"How on earth is he a patsy for Carter and Minards?
It's not in their interests for us to lose.'"
He's the epitome of a patsy, takes all the stick, they fiddle while Rome burns.
The stats speak for themselves 19 defeats, six nillings probably more on the cards, 20 something half time nils. Non performers in the team every week stealing wages. I could go on. The board said they wanted top six. In that case why hasn't he gone?
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| Cas have left the door open ever so slightly ... how much do Trinity want to go in??
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| Can the coach and players be d?
* Anyone else keep getting stuck on the maintenence message? It took ages to be able to post!*
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| Thought Jordan Crowther had a great game for Wire. Held nothing back against the team he's supposedly signed for next season.
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| If we're losing by half time just turn the sprinklers on and say they're stuck on. We'd get to replay it later in the week when the players have had a bit of a rest
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"If we're losing by half time just turn the sprinklers on and say they're stuck on. We'd get to replay it later in the week when the players have had a bit of a rest'"
Yeah, we'd have come back and finish the following day.
It's not going to help unless you kidnap half (or more) of the Saints squad.
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| We have been given another reprieve, we cannot produce performances like those against Huddersfield and Hull. We probably won’t win but if we fail to capitalise by restricting the points difference then we don’t deserve to stay up.
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| Quote ="trin77" I could go on. '"
And do ! Often!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Well I’m going to be ultra realistic which will seem like pessimism!
I expect St Helens to pile a big score on us while also keeping us to nil or just one 2nd half try and that will be the end of our hopes for survival. The points difference between us and Cas will be so wide that only winning 2 more games while hoping Cas don’t win any would offer us any hope of getting off the bottom and that ain’t happening.
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The season has been a disaster of our own making, a couple of half decent signings and a competent Coach would have seen us above a terrible Castleford team but the owners got it wrong, terribly wrong and have continued to get it wrong till it’s too late.'"
Absolutely agree 100%
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"We have been given another reprieve, we cannot produce performances like those against Huddersfield and Hull. We probably won’t win but if we fail to capitalise by restricting the points difference then we don’t deserve to stay up.'"
I agree.
Not beating Cas, twice, for me means we don't deserve to stay up but we do actually still have a chance.
This one probably isn't the one to win but we have to keep the score tight to give us a chance in the other games.
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