I think you need to look in the mirror and answer that yourself before the situation gets any worse

Big difference between spending a few hundred quid on tickets and merchandise, and putting over a £million into the club, I’m not looking for an argument, I’m as ed off as anyone, but rubbishing the club week after week isn’t going to help the club, and no, I don’t have any answers to save our club from what now seems inevitable.

Ok, we were the only Super League team to make a profit last season, but how have we benefited from this proud boast? Come on now even Unilever, Shell. Amazon et al borrow money in order to improve their business. A loan prior to the start of the season could have made a big difference to what we are having to endure now.

Fair and Valid point Red, but let's not forget such organisations have competent operators. You could give our CEO and director of rugby double our cap and do you honestly think he would be able to recognise the difference between a good or a bad player, bloke is clueless about rugby and that the real issue.

I’m asking you….. wHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY?

I m gutted with today’s result.. as many others will be…. Todays performance wasn’t acceptable.. but with the resources we have and the recruitment being poor… how do you blame carter for our predicament?

Carter is the reason we are in the predicament. He has failed to either fund the club sufficiently or source alternative sufficent funding streams so that we didn't end up with poor resources or recruitment

Because he's in control of the club.

Because he's overseen the recruitment.

Because he's cut the budget on the playing squad year after year.

Because he let Willie and Cummins leave the club and seemingly handed the job to Applegarth (nowt to do with cuts though)

Because he thought Wille couldn't secure us a top 6 finish with this squad and Applegarth could.

Because he's failed the make Wakefield Trinity an attractive proposition on and off the pitch.

Because he's had 10 years to grow the club and failed.

Because we're in dire straights and he's done nothing but swap our best player for a squad player (but without a full back we'd not win a game.... How's that working out?). Oh sorry my bad he's brought a few Huddersfield reserves on loan for a couple of week....

Should I go on?

It's hard to disagree on any of this.

We had a great opportunity to try and build on those two top 5 finishes, but didn't.

The crowds had increased a little, it is true, a successful, or at least a more competitive side, does bring more fans in. Remember how we would spend the cap if we got crowds up to 6k.

What we should have done here, was market the club back then. Why wait 5 years like we have to get out in the community.

Another thing going back to that time, it was documented that we spent about £450k short of the cap, and finished 5th, twice. I don't think to be at least competitive we need to necessarily spend the full cap, if we can get that investor.

Also, we now have too many ageing players in this squad, where we have let players go past their sell by date

No!
The real issue isn’t that he’s clueless it’s that he thinks he’s a genius

So would you have had you been in charge???
Incurring debt for the club?
Probably not...
Come on, you and I live in Barnsley and they had been saddled with debt with no investment in the team which led to relegation....
Would you honestly want that debt???
I doubt it.....

Well, thanks for that insight....
I don't seem to remember you coming running from the hills to put [iyour[/i money into the club....

It's the responsibility of the owners to make sure enough funds are available to run a professional RL club and complete in SL.
Our present owners have unfortunately been unable to do so.
They have had plenty of time to implement a plan to increase funds each season instead of going back to the supporters cap in hand each season. They have sucked the life out of the club
removed hope and run the club in to the ground.

Well, that's great insight,
Plan??
How do presume they actually could do that, with the state of the finances as they are?
I look forward to you suggestions.....
So. please. give me a clue.

So the 17 professional paid players who capitulated so badly yesterday carry no responsibility, and it was Minards n Carter dropping off tackles and walking taking the ball up ,and clueless in every other facets of the game ..right ,give it a rest , suppose they told lynne to walk around aimlessly all game and put no effort in going forwards or Kershaw to keep coming in off his wing so Charley could look like a world beater .Eastmoor dragons would have put a better performance in than that shower of gutless wonders . But let’s bag the board it’s far easier than calling the players out for that sh-t show .

As a starter, after a decade at the club, you'd think we'd be so much better in the recruitment market wouldn't you......even with our small budget?

Why would the average fan do that? I do laugh when I see the 'well you put some money in the club' stance.

The Chairman or CEO of any business/club/company have the responsibility to run the club and attract new investment. Begging fans for more money from....ahem......shares etc smacks of desperation.

There's only so much the average fan can part with......a season ticket, shirt and a few away days is the maximum they can muster.

Baffling.

Barnsley we ain't had a plan for the last 8 years. It's a pathetic and meaningless question to ask for one now or expect a structured answers. From memory you have been one of Carter's disciples defending him at every opportunity, surely even you can see that his particular form of accountancys sucked the life out the club and offered nothing in return. The owners must take full responsibility for the state of the club,

Couldn't agree more here.

It would be interesting to calculate how much those who have bought season tickets and shirts, over decades have actually paid into the club.

People need to get a grip!

A well-run club with an ability to increase income is going to get relegated. It's happened to other clubs. Now, it's our turn. Like it happened to Leigh. Look at them now!

It's how we cope with it that counts, and I think we'll do okay.

Maybe what's been missing is a lack of imagination in terms of how to increase money, or a willingness to take risks, but Glover was full of that hot air too.

Applegarth has turned out to be a bad move. However, from the outside last year, it did seem like he had a part in the uplift last year. Turns out it was a false dawn and they have to get someone new in.

But I'd rather be relegated with Minards in charge than whoever might replace him. But it often seems like the criticism of Carter is about personal vendettas rather than an objective view of how he has managed the club. He can only put together what finances will allow, with players who are willing to sign up for never winning anything in poor surroundings.

For me, the villains are Yorkcourt. We should be way ahead of where we are now in relation to the ground, years ahead, and if you live life by dodging bullets, eventually you get hit by one.

And for the record, I don't know MC, have never met him, and have no connection with him. I just prefer stability to bankruptcy.

I don’t think we’ve always got our overseas recruitment wrong..Fifita Arona tupou more recent players who have served the club well. And chucking money at billy big bucks from Australia doesn’t guarantee you a higher league position (as wire fans about that)

I don’t disagree with you regarding this season’s players, the overseas recruiting has been poor and we’re not getting value out of them. Coupled with some English based players it’s left us struggling to compete..

The single biggest problem we have faced in my opinion was the reduction in sky money( half million I think) this problem has tipped us over the edge. With no funds to make up the shortfall and the poor recruitment we now see that filtering out onto the field.

I think the the club have been on the lookout for investment.. but who in their right mind was ever going to invest in a club who’s ground looked like it had taken incoming shelling adding the fact that we didn’t own it and then the ongoing debt issues.. these are all problems that have been addressed (not completely but addressed)

Unfortunately a backer has not been forthcoming but you can’t say to the board…. Well you will have to stump up some more money… they may either not want to or doesn’t have the fund to..
But …. And think this is probably the most important thing now. the above is being addressed, it makes us more attractive should someone be interested in investing . Should we drop into the championship ( which at the moment I think is very likely ) we will have a chance to fight our way back up..

We could have thrown a lot of money we didn’t have to try and elevate the situation with no guarantee it would pay off …. Then end up still being relegated ….. and starting in The championship in debt and rudderless (ask Bradford bulls fans about that!)

Everyone who posts on here mate wants the best for our club .
I’m gutted this morning as I’m sure all others will be..
We just have different opinions on how our problems should be addressed..
All I would say is keep supporting the club even if you don’t agree about how it’s being run..

Wholeheartedly agree.

After the disappointment of Cas and then Leigh fans are obviously looking for someone (or everyone) to blame.

The thing is Minnards has been outstanding in getting the off field improvements done. Carter is leaving his role as CEO but has completely rescued the club in the past. Mash is clearly a talent (though possibly not head coach but I'm not fully convinced of that)
To just burn the house down in a rage doesn't help anyone.
There is still plenty of opportunity to fix this in terms of number of games but right now, this team can't do it.
I think the best thing Carter can do is use his skills to negotiate a fee with Atoni and use the money for one of the stand offs in France for a short term rescue contract.

The bottom line is that the 17 players selected and the game plan they were "following" didn't work and they weren't good enough to secure a win (or register a point).
Of those 17, not one of them would get a starting spot in any other SL club and this tells you everything you need to know.
Quite simply, we cannot afford ant SL quality players (Murphy and Tangianoa aside).
The performance of our overseas contingent is bloody embarrassing and you have to assume that they are busted.

After watching through thin and thinner for over 40 years, we are fast becoming an embarrassment. It's heart-breaking

Turning up at games, already knowing that we wont win and probably wont register a point is no longer worth the effort..

Your fans deserve all they get for the way you hounded out Chris Chester, a man doing a very decent job at the time.

Since you got your way and he went your club has sunk like a stone, which just goes to show what Wakey fans actually know.

You piled pressure on the club to get rid because you thought your club was something it wasn't and too good for Chester, you finally got your way and now relegation looms.

Wakefield fans have therefore played a massive roll in the club's current demise.

The fact remains that the players we put out on the pitch yesterday have very little chance, if any, of beating any other team in the comp. That is the 1st thing we need to see change. For starters, Atoni needs putting away in the same box that Lineham has been shipped off to, both offer negative input on the pitch.

On a different note: Will people stop using the word invest. Its a sugar daddy we need who just wants a bit of kudos.

Yes great post, but you failed to explain that if you are short of money why would you recklessly waste what little you have.