I'm not pushing anything, merely defending my integrity from a couple of morons determined to cause me embarrassment, it's quite obvious whose side your on with your comment accusing me of getting personal with lampy vis a vie name calling despite him habitually calling me slappyjack, it's noticeable that the post you quoted is days old, yet you find this an appropriate moment to issue your threat, how appropriate indeed, you do whatever you think fit, I have a life thanks which does not include coming on here getting embroiled with a couple of idiots, I only came on in the first place to have a go on the predictions thread, good luck with those two, you deserve each other

he can apologise if he wants

You do yourself no favours and embarrass yourself, you come on here with your insults, name calling, accusations, say things to fans who have 400 mile round trips and then start crying. I replied to get em on side refs comment in which he stated bill needed a kick up the backside to which you responded with an insult, trying to goad me into an argument, gramps, grandad, idiots, morons is what you resort to as by your own admission you know very little. If you would like to apologise and your big enough to I might accept it.

Welcome to the predictions league many thanks for your donation which goes to a great cause ! Lets just hope you don't drop out like Daddycool did last season

Thanks for your goodbye speech. Always fun for everyone to read.

AUP is quite clear about making comments that would give away someone's identity. You'd done that a few times after your first warning. Throw in your name calling and you are going to have to take a rest. If you come back, please just post your opinion and discuss freely without picking fights with people that disagree with you.

Poor lads suffered an ACL and will be out for the season.

Absolutely gutted for the lad, 100% saw him in our 17 in the near future. Really packed some size on and playing at Oldham will have helped massively.

Speedy recovery Jack!

Speedy recovery pal

Bad luck, but TJ proves it can be done.

Our curse just keeps spreading doesn't it.
Hope he's back to his best soon.

He seems like one of those dedicated kids who will make it work and come back stronger.

Gutted for him and the club

Seems to be an injury occurring with increasing frequency across the sport

All the best to Crofty getting back from it

That’s the first thing I thought. How can one club be so very unlucky consistently over 2 seasons with injuries I don’t know.

I also have him down as the most obvious replacement for Tupou. Lad shows a lot of promise. I hope this doesn’t hinder his progress but players luckily can come back just as strong these days.

Maybe because we were so lucky with injuries in 2016/17/18, but yeah it seems we are paying an overly heavy cost.

On the plus side as a club, we must be experts in treating and rehabilitating ACL injuries!

I honestly can’t understand it. All talk the weeks running up to round 1 we had a clean bill of health and over the course of 6 games we’ve had to do without 10+ players and had to play players out of position and even bring in loan players. There must be some contributory factors.

Some of it I feel lies in the new rules and the fact more stress is put on players bodies with less recovery time between sets/ in matches.

Luckily though as you say, we have become experts in ACL management with a Tupou, Arona, Arundel last few years. Armed with information you have to be positive the lad can push through this.

I think this is the major contributory factor, along with the extra training that is having to be done to increase fitness to cope with these new rules. We are not alone with having plenty missing so far, pretty much all clubs have been missing a good chunk of players at some point. The players bodies are reaching breaking point and this contstant desire to make the game faster and faster is proving counter productive.

I think the mission to speed up the game has gone too far and adding in this ball steal rule is making for very fast and messy tackles/rucks. Days gone you’d see a lot more quality plays because teams had to try and get round or unlock defences. These days its all about rolling the opposition for the 6 again and putting your opposition in the back foot to tire or expose a gap. There’s very little inventive play compared to a few years ago and it’s more autonomous than quality plays. Don’t even get me started on the poor officials having to manage more and more rules and messy rucks in a faster game. This is exactly why mistakes are prevelant in the game this year.

Ultimately, the teams struggling like us haven’t adapted to the new rules as well as teams like saints/Wigan in particular. That’s a different point though.

Only one, bad luck.

I'll accept people's opinions on CC coaching, certain players' attitudes, or the way the club is run even if I don't agree. But there is nothing special about our conditioning and training. I know that's not what you're saying but I'm just putting it out there.

I know a few people in the game and one or two suggest Clawson is a bit old school but nobody has ever said his methods are more likely to cause injury than any other, see most of the other seasons he's been in charge where we have been fine. Ditto the physios.

As for the new rules, I don't see it, to be honest, many tackling styles are outlawed and stiff arms and shoulder barges are very rare.

In the past, I can recall times when almost every first-teamer was our and we had teams of kids and loans, far more than now.

Our problem isn't the number of injuries, I bet a few others are in a similar boat, it's which players. Nearly all our injured players are pivots or backs when usually it's the forwards.

Only TJ is an oddity, his luck is just appalling.

To be fair you a lot of fans in Australia saying that speeding the game up is breaking players.

Could be but I feel that's more fatigue I can't see where it would contribute to an early-season injury crisis, poor old Crofty was only playing lower Championship in only his second game.

Not just bad luck IMO Vasty, unfortunately there are a few clubs out there that deliberately apply tackle techniques that result in these sort of injuries that could of been avoided. Not saying that`s what's happened here by the way.

But it is because those teams don't just do it to us, like it or not there is always attrition to these incidents at all clubs, we just seem to get more injuries due to dirty play than most.

It's like TJ's injury, it was a bit dirty but you wouldn't have expected it to put him out for 8 chuffing weeks. He's copped far worse in his career and he's been fine.

Not condoning dirty play but considering what Tanginoa did a few weeks back we are not without malice, it happens, we are no more victimized than anyone else, as I say, just unlucky.

Sorry

That`s what I`m getting at, it`s not a contributing factor from within, but there's more too it than just bad luck imo in some cases.

I know, what I'm saying is that for some reason we get far more unlucky results than other teams.

Many years ago my brother and I took a beating from some s and they were s, a case of mistaken identity it turned out.

My brother lost his front teeth, had a broken rib, was heavily bruised with loads of cuts, and was heavily concussed. I was shaken but barely had a mark on me. We both took the same brutal kicking but I can't explain the difference in the results, I do know they didn't take it easy on me compared to my brother. He was just unlucky and I was lucky, logically it should have been the same result for both of us. Luck, life is just luck, without it you're stuffed.

Sorry for the boring story and no I don't feel guilty that I got away with it, I was always far more beautiful than him