Thought the forwards held their own yesterday against a big Widnes pack-England took the eye for me but I really don't think any of them let us down!

Sorry but, I was one of the daft/committed fans that travelled to Widnes last season (and saw the home game) and if you don't think that we are in better shape than those 2 games (especially the away fixture which was the more recent game, then we are clearly watching a different game.
Our defence was more structured and committed so, yes I could glean this from yesterdays game.

Will we finish bottom 4, very likely but, even with a decent coach at the helm we will struggle to compete with clubs who are spending £500k ?? more than we are on players, it's chuffing obvious.

What I find pitiful is that after 1 game, some fans are calling the coach into question

Our defence looked just as good yesterday as it did during the first two games last year! How does you, me or anyone else know yet that there isn't another tubbing just around the corner or not? Quite simply we don't. Of course nobody should be calling out Brian Smith right now, that is ridiculous but neither can anyone say that we are massively improved yet either, or that we will be come July. That honour has to be earned over a sustained period of time, when we have done that THEN is the time to say we are in better shape. Still too early to tell the outcome but eveything is currently crossed that it is the case.

As for salary cap didn't Mr Carter say that this is Wakefield most expensive SL squad assembled ever at circa £1.6million? So not that far behind some of the others really.

I agree with you, we have no idea how the season will unfold but, that cut's both ways. Therefore, I m more than happy to give the club, players, coach and management my full support.

I'm sure that we will get a stuffing somewhere down the line and just like everyone else, I will be hacked off when we do.
Having said that and I know we have the benefit of hindsight, I would much rather have Brian Smith in charge than Webster or Agar and I still believe that MC and his team did exceptionally well to get him here and keep him for this season.

Onwards and upwards (we hope)

We were all very happy after round 2 last season and look how it turned out for us until the middle 8's.

Brian Smith....Best coach Trinity have had for a very long time end of!

That's all very well saying he's the best coach we've had for a very long time, but then you don't go on to say why this is?! If someone from another club came on here and said, since he's been here, what is his record of wins and losses, and was told, it wouldn't make great reading would it?! We have only beaten SL opposition once under his leadership, think it's one win out of 12 attempts now, so what qualifies him in being the best coach we have had for a very long time? I think he's been put on a pedestal on here by some people, wrongly, then when anyone dares to criticise him they get very defensive. At the end of the day, he's no different to any other coach, they are there to be shot at, they know that, it's the same in football, they will be judged on results, again rightly or wrongly, that's the way it is. On a slightly different topic, it's quite interesting that most people said after Webster went, all the 'deadwood' needed clearing out etc, yet if Moore & Simon would have been fit, that 17 that played against Widnes would have been very similar to the one that played in the million pound game, I think Widnes had the same number of new arrivals almost, including one guy who only stepped off the plane a week ago. Also, the backroom staff hasn't changed hardly, so the sweeping changes under BS haven't really materialised have they?

For what it's worth though, I thought we did reasonably ok on Sunday, but again it was an opportunity missed, i'm quite concerned the way we seem to start games under BS, it happened quite often last season under him, I don't know what it is, but they just seem to be slow out of the blocks for some reason.......

Great post.

It's simple really Asmadasa summed up his opinion in one sentence, where as it took you a whole paragraph to try and get your opinion across, while at the same time trying unsuccessfully to disprove his.

I can't believe this tread is still rumbling on, even the OP has since back tracked.

Love to know who this better coach is waiting in the wings.

A coach's role in any environment is to improve people and environments. Brian Smith has proven ability to do this. In a sporting environment, a by-product of that improvement is players skills/attitude etc increase and matches/competitions are won.
I believe that this year we will see that improvement on the field to go along with improvements off the field made by Michael Carter.

Knee jerk reactions spring to mind. We could have only dreamt of a coach with Smith's CV before he came here.

At the end of the day mate, i'm sure Asmadasa couldn't care less what I've put, he's fully entitled to his opinion, I've just asked a question in response to what he put, if he wants to answer and expand on what he's put, that's up to him.

Like I've said, he's given an opinion, when I've stated how many matches we have won under BS, i'm dealing in facts, which can't be debated or argued with, you can then of course argue whether it's fair or not as a coach to be judged solely on results, but i'm sure BS couldn't give a toss as to what I or anyone else thinks about his win/loss record since he's been here. The problem is, we have got so used to watching dross mostly, any little bit of improvement and it's like a massive overreaction. The point i'm trying to make, and yes there is one, somewhere,

is that BS or anyone else is not above being criticised, it goes with the territory, it's gone on for years as we all know, just replace pubs and clubs with social media, if people don't like a thread about the pros/cons of our current coach, then don't post.

Great post......i not for one minute saying he should go but at the end of the day it is 1 win out of 12 v Sl clubs isnt good enough what if we were to lose our next 3 away games which is very possible any other coach there would be serious questions asked with a 1 in 15 ratio.time will tell im hoping a couple of suprise wins will boost confidence and we start to win games

Listen mate it was merely an observation on my part, asmadasa does not need me to defend his opinions he's more than capable on that score, I'm sure had he wanted to he could have justified his post with an in depth assessment of the situation but chose instead to simply say that in his opinion Smith has been the best for quite a while, whereas you chose to disagree which is your choice to make but you then argue that Smith's win rate is poor yet then defend him because as you say is it fair to judge him on wins alone, but it's noticeable you don't offer an alternative name.
As you are quick to point out if people don't like what's been written on certain threads they should not post, conversely when you do post you should be prepared to accept that everybody won't always agree with your point of view

what the hells going on. if you remember B S took over when the club was in a right state. The dressing room stank and the players had no interest. Ihen our playmaker goes on a bender . I can only imagine the problems that encased club but it all came together at the season end when players had been trusted to carry out the clubs business .
I don't know what some of you expect but in B S we have a seasoned R L man that will turn the club round.
The target was to keep the Trin in the S L and having achieved that the guy deserves some respect and time to improve the fortunes of our club.

Jesus Christ no one is talking about sacking Smith! What some people are trying to do are discussing whether or not Smith will turn out to be the saviour that some hope him to be. The only hysterical over reaction is coming from those who think the sun shines out of his backside.

FWIW I would only look at his win/loss ratio at the round he joined last year, not now.

I didn't say that and neither did others that disagree with your opinion. Luckily your not the chairman.

For what its worth I don't think he did any better than JK would have had he been at the tiller or a fair few other about last season but and this is where we will see the benefit Smith will go about putting things in place that will stand us in good stead for future years. The bloke is a vast knowledge of the game on and off the field and knows his stuff yes Sunday was a loss but the season is more than one game long. He has brought some good players in that just need time to settle and lets face it you would need to go to the refs sponsor to not notice how much fitter the players are. Give the bloke a chance we are only one game in if we were half the season in and looked unfit and had loss after loss we could all say no not as good as made out but some how I don't think we will.

Too right BS is putting structures in place, this started last season, when T.Smith, Locke and L.Smith were dropped for the most important game in the clubs recent history.
Someone has already mentioned,it's not going to happen overnight at Trin, unfortunately some people can't see past the ends of their noses.

Jesus Christ!!! The only hysterical reaction seems to be coming from your direction squire.
As you've seemed to have worked it out, people are discussing the merits and also the alleged failings of our coach B Smith, the only problem is, is that you appear to be unhappy with the pro Smith camp by accusing them of thinking the sun shines out of his arris, a very mature attitude to have :roll

Hypocrisy at its best, as you and Vastman have taken a similar approach to those on the other side of the fence.

I'll take that as you agree with me then

One match in and there is already a fence which I assume means two camps! Only on this forum - absolutely bonkers and counter productive

Gee Brian Smiths CV is great! lots of competition win and lots of non disgruntled ex players!!!!!!
can anybody see us winning any of the next 8 games? seriously ? look at the draw.

I pencil it us as winning our home game against Salford as our next and maybe only win of the season!!!!!