All good debate.
Just worth repeating what others are saying.

General election and council local elections are different.
Box is a Councillor not an MP. You could in theory vote the opposite way in each election as they do different jobs.

exactly my intention

I've no doubt she's absolutely genuine and has honest intentions but she'll get swallowed up by Tory ideology and if she doesn't do as the Chief Whip tells her she'll have a short politicians career.

A conservative government have already set out their plans for the cuts that are coming and they are going to be much worse than we have seen already. George Osbourne has missed his target to clear the deficit by a mile, he got his sums wrong. Now he is in a rush to save face and for the next two years under the conservatives then it will be very painful. The NHS, education, benefits, etc have already been mentioned on here and all would be in serious danger but concentrating on the stadium issue, where is the funding coming from? We know the developer is supposed to be funding the majority but if there was any hope of the council serving up that £2 million which is needed under the s106 will have gone as their income will be slashed. Other areas of funding that I imagine have been earmarked for the other community facilities at Newmarket will be removed as they will be deemed non essential and directed elsewhere. The two year plan will cause growth to stall as people wait for the end of austerity before spending their money (if they have any to spend), meaning businesses will suffer, new builds won't happen and the trigger point never reached. And given his past record the likehood is that Osbourne will miss his targets again and the cuts will go on longer prolonging the misery.

Labour plan to cut more slowly, easing the pressure on councils and other services who are already stretched to breaking point. It's my opinion that a Labour lead government with potentially three front bench Wakefield MP's and a Leeds based S.O.S. who has a good working relationship with the probable chancellor would hold much more influence over Box than a conservative one and with much less by the way of cuts something good might yet come of this. If we wake up tomorrow with the conservatives back in control then I think we can finally kiss Newmarket goodnight.

Yes the NHS, education child benefits etc should be untouchable but are people forgetting the amount of debt the precious government (Labour) racked up? There have to be some cuts somewhere in the system to clean up the mess Labour made in their 13 years. Also I have seen some people (not specifaclly on here) saying they are voting Labour because they are working mans part, well IMO they haven't been a working mans party for several years now.

I think you are lost ?
On a Wakefield Trinity forum I think you will find the focus is on our new ground (or lack of it).

Trying to work out the best way of helping this happen is the only difficulty.

Your friends in Cas have done rock all to help, in fact they are so dis-interested that they can't even be bothered to meet up with The Community Trust.
So, no clouding of judgement, just frustration at WMDC (perhaps if should be re named Castleford District Council)

I'd rather the district be split in half to better reflect the public's sense of belonging.

Never voted never been a political animal nor has my family, but I have finally have a cause that is totally worth my vote

Man OH Man am I sick of hearing this for the last 5 years.

The whole world lived that way, the =#FF0000GLOBAL recession was started in the U.S. Sub Prime markets and dominoed throughout the world.

LABOUR DID NOT CREATE THE WORLDWIDE RECESSION

No one saw it coming, not even the know it all Conservatives who've propagated the lie at every opportunity.

Vote how you want to that's everyone's prerogative but please don't fall for this bull!

The right to vote is nothing to do with being a political animal poplar!
Don't you realise its called Democracy and that people have died fighting for the right to vote.
What the hell do you want, a world run by dictators ,where you have no rights whatsoever!

For sure, Labour did not create the problem, but they were guilty of over spending.
Mr Milliband, when questioned earlier this week, actually said that they had not over spent.
IMO this is the craziest thing said during the whole election campaign.

The guy seems ok and I would certainly rather spend time in his company than, Mr "silver spoon" Cameron but
I don't think that Milliband would qualify as any kind of book keeping guru.

Sorry but IMHO he's more correct than you.

For 15 years Labour under Blair/Brown followed a watered down version of Thatcherism minus the discipline required. They built their economic policy around a services driven economy fueled by cheap and largely uncontrolled credit and the vague promise of ever rising property prices. At no point did Labour attempt to control what was even then an obvious imbalance in the economy that would eventually need correcting.

To say Labour didn't create the world recession is ludicrous, they most certainly contributed in a massive way - the US toxic debt crisis was purely the trigger not the reason.

Germany never did follow Thatcherism or variants of and that is why they now rule Europe.

I am basically Left of Centre politically but to free Labour of blame - NO - not ever.

I'm voting UKIP - one because I cannot find what I consider a racist policy in their manifesto - two I cannot stand the pathetic way the left wing establishment has tried to smear them or anyone who supports them relentlessly and IMHO unfairly - but mainly to knock the 3 main political parties especially labour out of their complacent stupors and force them to listen to the average Joe of whatever race and stop pandering to the chattering classes and the lowest common denominators in society.

Thanks

I'm well aware that I am on a wakey forum, but this particular thread has a political theme to it rather than a strict rugby one. I was alluding that it is dangerous, in a general election, to vote on a single issue that has absolutely no bearing on how the country is/will be run.
I understand that as fans you may be vexed at the NM situation and that is what I am referring to when I mentioned clouded judgement (a general election is bigger than any sporting club).
As a side; I don't know what makes you think the council are my 'friends' but you, along with a few others, could do to lose the chip on your shoulder, it's not a good quality to have.

Vote however you want guys but please do vote.

I disagree very strongly with a lot of what has been posted on this thread and agree with some of it. Unsurprising really since Wakefield has always been a staunch Labour area. At the end of the day we all have opinions, they are all as equal as each others hence we have democracy.

Who remembers that it was Pickles who helped our cause when it was called in? I don't see any mention of that here.

I could argue until we are blue in the face at the history and future of our politics on a national level. I've got a politics degree and the one thing I know is it doesn't mean anyone has a more superior view than another. Some are better informed than others. Some advocate cutting your cloth, some advocate borrowing, some talk of the diabolic mess the world was in a few years ago.

At the end of the day I think as a Wakefield Trinity thread I'd like to see discussion about how these LOCAL elections affect Wakefield Trinity. As far as I can tell the stadium is a local issue.


Whatever you do, please vote even if it is Raving Loony Party - are they standing in Wakefield?

The reason for the "chips" is the massive injustice that is being done to our club.
And far from helping, the local government officers, far from helping,, have washed their hands of any involvement in NM.
Now, if this constitutes having a "chip" on ones shoulders, then I'm ok with that and the sooner that Mr Box is moved aside, the better !

Labour were guilty of not regulating the banks and allowing them free rein of excess and greed. It was the global financial institutions that caused the crash. To say Labour caused it is the ludicrous statement.
You say you're basically left of centre but you're voting UKIP - an authoritarian right wing party. Go figure.
Btw - I don't think you'll find any racist policies in any party manifesto (except the BNP perhaps - I haven't read it) so that's not a very logical reason for choosing UKIP.
Vote Labour.

Yet here we are under a Con/Dem government with a bigger housing bubble than ever and the financial inequality gap widening by the day. In the news and on social media it's been a constant bombardment of 'your vote counts'. In the grand scheme of things it's worth about as much as the pencil you tick the box with.

For the record I spoilt my council vote with a derogatory remark.

My point is,
everybody was overspending!
everybody was borrowing too much!
Countries across the world were running with huge deficits

That was the world we were in pre-recession

Trying to lay the whole blame at the feet of the previous Labour Government is missing the point, they were at fault for doing what everybody was doing and what any other Party would have been doing

There are far too many unanswered questions and conundrums on both sides in this whole sorry debacle for my liking. On the face of it the council have let the club and the community down badly, but that started when they supported the whole scheme and sold their soul to the devil by reclassifying land (it's just plain wrong and it's the same with the 5 towns development). - you don't win or draw with big business, they win; it's as simple as that. That said I find the silence from Rodney walker; David hinchcliffe; Andrew glover & James elston deafening. Now this may change and if it does I'd feel in a better position to comment, but as things stand there's far too much information not in the public domain, but then again that's how big business works. By keeping the common man on the outside.

Typical arrogant self righteous left wing reaction, no surprise from someone who clearly doesn't get democracy or free choice. Go figure.

Did you bother to read my reasons for voting for them, I never said I supported them as a party. Go figure.

I won't vote Labour ever, one because they no longer are Labour but just a poor Tory substitute and two because they have more real fascist's in their ranks than Benito could shake a stick at. Go figure.

At no point have I excused any political movement left or right for the current financial state the world is in - but to suggest the Labour Government of 15 years was blameless, I say again ludicrous even if that wasn't what the poster meant - ludicrous rather like their leader - a man who has managed to make Farage and the Krankie look statesmanlike! ,go figure.

Enjoy your day, I'm sure eventually you'll get the power and UKIPpers will be up against that wall bop bop bop. Go figure.

^^^^This (not a personal dig at anyone for voting UKIP though - that's their right).

UKIP are the greatest parlour trick the Tories have ever played.
The Tories have basically splintered and put their genuine right wingers into a separate party whilst maintaining their faux middle ground standing. This way when it comes to coalitions they won't need the lib deme or anyone else they'll simply pick up with their old Tory mates from UKIP and continue destroying the rights and values the left have struggled so hard to build up. All whilst convincing a large swathe of people that Thatcherites are on the side of the common man on the street. You really do have to applaud them for deceiving so many people.

Many people are not thanks to MRSA which was rife under Labours Andy Burnham's NHS.
At the end of the day if you want a strong NHS as we all do , then you first have to have a strong economy to be able to pay for it.
Something which Labour has never delivered in my time and I'm now in my late fifties.

Fundamentally, after the SoS passed the 106, WMDC should want a successful development of the site for all parties as this would help the local economy and the local community.
The very fact that they say this is nothing to do with them and that it is a matter only for the developer, the community trust and Trinity says all that you need to know.

Nothing to do with them ?????

(Glover and Elston are no longer involved in either Trinity or The Community Trust)

Good try, Booker prize for you.

The greatest left wing parlour trick

is to convince themselves that UKIP is a party of Right wingers. It may have a right wing agenda of sorts but it's appealing across the board and Labour simply can't accept that. Hence every UKIP supporter is branded a right wing loon and racist - I suppose we will see who's right soon enough.

Finally let's remember this thread was about the local election not national - a very different ballgame - excuse the pun.

Let's also remember this is an emotive subject over and above our stadium issues.
The debate is great and a credit to those on the board as this could easily get into a left and right argument but let's keep it that way.

No need for any personal comments or trolls.
I'll be watching trolls and won't be too patient about it.