From that, I'd go with

1. Mathers
2. Riley
3. Ryan
4. Walshaw
5. Owen
6. Sammut
7. Godinet
8. Scruton
9. McShane
10. Anderson
11. Washbrook
12. Kirmond
13. Smith

14. Wildie
15. Moore
16. Molloy
17. Gilmour

Mathers
Owen
Walshaw
Ryan
Riley
Sammut
Godinet
Anderson
Wildie
Smith
Kirmond
Molloy
Washbrook

Scruton
McShane
Moore
Gilmour

Whilst I definitely rate McShane as a far superior hooker to Wildie, I do think if you're going to spell them than better to start Wildie who is solid in defence and steady going forward. Then after 20 minutes bring on McShane to exploit gaps in and around the ruck with sides tiring and to speed up the attack to utilise the likes of Moore and Scruton.

Lol Mathers on the wing. You Definitaly must sit at home instead of going to the matches

www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/art ... ack-attack? 'Bulls Manase Manuokafoa (116kg), Antonio Kaufusi (113kg) and Adam Sidlow (108kg) weigh in as Bradford's heavyweights - totaling a massive 337kg. If selected, the trio are likely collide with Wakefield opposites Richard Moore, Danny Kirmond and former Provident Stadium man Nick Scruton, who weigh in slightly lighter at 108kg, 102kg and 103kg respectively - shy of the potential Bulls' front row by almost 25kg!' They seem to be comparing their props with two of ours plus our star second row DK but forgot to mention our other two big props playing Scott Anderson (107kg) and Dan Smith (107kg) plus a decent sized back row with Matt Ryan (102kg) and Jon Molloy (100kg) which if we went with Ryan, Kirmond and Molloy would be 304kg back row ....28kg more than Pitts, Donaldson and Olbison. It's a shame that big Andy Raleigh (105 kg) isn't also on the bench. Think it'll be won and lost in the pack though by those who run and tackle the hardest not who weighs the most? Come on Trinity!

www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/art ... ack-attack? 'Bulls Manase Manuokafoa (116kg), Antonio Kaufusi (113kg) and Adam Sidlow (108kg) weigh in as Bradford's heavyweights - totaling a massive 337kg. If selected, the trio are likely collide with Wakefield opposites Richard Moore, Danny Kirmond and former Provident Stadium man Nick Scruton, who weigh in slightly lighter at 108kg, 102kg and 103kg respectively - shy of the potential Bulls' front row by almost 25kg!' They seem to be comparing their props with two of ours plus our star second row DK but forgot to mention our other two big props playing Scott Anderson (107kg) and Dan Smith (107kg) plus a decent sized back row with Matt Ryan (102kg) and Jon Molloy (100kg) which if we went with Ryan, Kirmond and Molloy would be 304kg back row ....28kg more than Pitts, Donaldson and Olbison. It's a shame that big Andy Raleigh (105 kg) isn't also on the bench. Think it'll be won and lost in the pack though by those who run and tackle the hardest not who weighs the most? Come on Trinity!

I'll be at Odsal don't you worry mate

How about

Full back - Smith
Wings - Ryan and Walshaw
Centres - Sykes and Gilmour
Half backs - Godinet and McShane
Props - Washbrook and Kirmond
Hooker - Mathers
Back row Scruton Moore and Molloy

Subs seijka, sammut Owen and Riley


There I think that's it!!

A commendable effort at justifying Agars bizarre selections.

When Luke Robinson goes to hooker Hudds still have some quality at half back.
When Rob Burrow goes to hooker Leeds still have some quality at half back.
In addition Robinson and Burrow still get their hands on the ball and are pivotal.

We remove potentially our two best quality halves,put one to full back and the other on the bench,neither are pivots anymore and replace them with Sykes and Seijka.Against Warrington we had plenty of possession in the first half but Agars halves created nothing.Indeed a glance at the points scored column since Agar paired Seijka and Sykes makes for pretty dismal reading.

The red herring - Daniel Smith,thats totally different,Wigan,Leeds,Saints,Warrington are among a few clubs that have been using the loose forward position to actually play another out and out forward rather than a more traditional loose forward.The teams doing this still want the player to perform the same role that they would when playing prop.
It wouldnt surprise me in the least if Mathers was still on the wing and Riley or Owen were left out.

Yep, can go with this.
Maybe to answer UpTheCats, Godinet may have been swayed to come over to be starting first choice scrum half?
He left the Warriors because of being interchange hooker.
Probably prepared to give it a go in the short term but if things don't improve, would expect him to be asking questions after the start he had, why he is not first choice HB?
As for Washbrook, don't worry, now Tautai is going to Wigan, he will get another contract for making 35 tackles as 3rd man in. Statistics, don't you just love 'em!

Sykes
Owen
Ryan
Walshaw
Riley
Sammut
Godinet
Anderson
McShane
Moore
Kirmond
Molloy
Washbrook

Smith
Scruton
Wildie
Mathers

The only place for Mathers is at fullback...if he's not there, then he shouldn't be anywhere else in the 17 !!

Anybody continuing with Mathers on the wing with Riley and Owen available needs their heads read! Mathers at fb, Sammut and Godinet in the halves, McShane & Wildie rotating at hooker. Job done.

You fool man!
Can't apply logic like that on here!
Like The Spirit of Dark Waters used to say:- 'Sensible children, I have no power over them'.

Copied off the bulls site
"Similar to what I would go with. Though I'd go though with:

1. Kear
2. George
3. Blythe
4. Purtell
5. Foster
6. Gaskell
7. Gale
8. Kaufusi
9. Diskin
10. Sidlow
11. Baldwinson
12. Pitts
13. Donaldson
14. O'brien
15. Nas
16. Fakir
17. Ferguson

[uOur pack should blow Wakey away[/u. I'm sure Cummins will find a way to include Walker (who shows plenty of effort, but just not big enough.) wouldn't surprise me to see Gaskell at FB, Addy at stand off and Henry on bench.''

So with borrowed backs, halves out of position and their pack 'blowing us away' it could be a long afternoon.

Seems logical to me.

I hope that's the way we line up sunday.

went down this morning for a nosey. only allowed in for a few minutes. what they were doing looked incredibly radical - players in all sorts of positions and running around all over the place. we were politely asked to leave as they wanted it to be a closed session. had my dog with me but they were not prepared to swop him for mathers - who did look as though he was operating at full back - is that the one that stands at the rear flapping his arm left and right?

You must be mistaken, training on a Saturday surely not that would indicate commitment, I bet they were accessing who would get to the Costa coffee first for their order. It is what some on here have indicated is all that they do during the day. I bet you did not see Agar he would have been at home deciding on what to wear tomorrow.
For those of you such as Willzay etc. I am being sarcastic just in case you did not get it.

You really are a sanctimonious piece of work.

No I am just one who will not be bullied by people like you who believe that all the woes of the world will be sorted by the sacking of Agar. The last time I checked the forum was not a dictatorship where all must accept the will of you and those like you.
I notice that when anyone posts a view that is contrary to what some of you believe you are all quick to try to put them down, I say good luck to you because I am not that impressed by those tactics.

It was me and Snowie and a couple of others throwing the ball about you were watching ,hope we were using the paint brush ok

hate to think it was being held wrong

Its working really well at Cas with Millington as well.

You've been had

Whatever team plays we need to get the basics right! The team who completes their sets and dominates in defence wins.

In 'Yardage' we need to have, quick scoots and strong carries with plenty of push and NO offloads.

In 'Good Ball' we need competent skill levels but be patient and not worry about scoring from every play. Put on the plays but don't over play.

With last kick options in Yardage, we need to turn them around and have a strong, aggressive kick chase. No easy yards and extra effort in their first 3 tackles. Restrict yards.

With last kick options in Good Ball, we need to be looking at repeat sets. I would utilise this option consistently.

In defence we need to dominate from the start. Dominate your opposite number and dominate as a unit. Win the ruck battle and set the marker. They will have momentum at some point but make sure its not in the first quarter. When they do have their momentum period it is even more important to complete our sets so that we can turn them around and get the momentum back.

This team is good enough to beat Bradford, individually and as a team whatever is selected. I will be disappointed if we don't!! This team has SL Dream Team, Challenge cup, Grand final, NRL, State of origin and World Cup players in it. I hope they add SL survival to that list! On a personal note that is just as impressive! Doing it when it's tough, dirty and when people expect you to and want you to fail...

The points deduction.. Forget it! You can't control it. Move on. Its all about Game Day!!!

Are you going to show up, do the basics and give 100%?
Players under performing, have you been honest with yourself and ready to turn this around?
Players performing well, are you going to pull the other lads in your direction?
Are you going to put your body on the line?
Are you going to be strong in Defence?
Are you going to back your mates up in Offence and Defence?
Are you going to give an individual and team performance to be proud of?

Over to you guys.. You've got what it takes. I honestly believe you can do it, I really do. Do You?

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I tell you what my dog can catch a ball - well rabbit and pheasant as well - and my god can he shift. Think Mr Agar has missed a trick there.