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| Quote ="The Avenger"There were sparks raining down on the terracing!
The game was stopped early because of a health and safety problem within Wheldon Rd'"
Think you're imagining that. Someone claimed there was an issue with the floodlight but it was a false alarm.
It was on the Princess St where I was stood. We were told to move out of the stand and into the WRE as a precaution. The game was stopped at the same time, as they were unsure as to what was going to happen.
The referee agreed to end the game early because the players had been stood still for a while and he thought it wouldn't be good to ask players to warm up again or risk them getting injuries. With the result being pretty conclusive with something like 9 mins remaining the game was abandoned/ended early.
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| Quote ="Fully"AFAIK the whole floodlights have been replaced. One of the sponsors completed the work for us and the lux is above the RFL's requirements.
[uIt seems like every thread of this ilk becomes an attempt to have a dig at Cas[/u or try and raise some conspiracy theory. It just sounds bitter to be honest. Especially since a lot of you won't have a clue what Cas have done, or are in the process of doing.
Cas have been praised for the extensive work carried out over the off-season, their compliance with H+S. This has been notified to the RFL, to be used as a case study for all clubs moving forward.'"
I do tend to agree with you but I personally put this down to patronising Cas fans, you're team and fans only two years since we're going through exactly the same as us both on and off the field, yet to here the Cas fans talk they are the perfect rugby club with no problems, we get them on this board holding the flag of peace yet packing a six shooter, that's may take on it for what it's worth not that we don't have our own brand of idiots!A sincere lack of dignity on some Cas fans part.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"A mutual friend of ours, who knows the full facts, is clear about this. The club bought the ground back from the council for a much larger amount than the council bought it from the club for originally. It is a complete myth that the club were sold the ground back for a minimal amount. The council and therefore Wakefield residents made a profit from the whole deal, and it was a significant profit for the time. It is not clear if it was sold back at the current best market value, given land values did continue to rise, so maybe not and that is maybe where this whole myth came from, but they still paid back much more than they got for it!
He also has told me that the what you and Jack in the Box have posted is correct, not only did they make a profit they also did slap a very large bill into the club after it was bought back for 'works to the ground'.'"
Thanks for the confirming that IA. Those ground works were basically extensive demolition and the ground
the club got back was basically much worse than before.
The whole process was a raw deal for Wakefield Trinity despite what some politicians say.
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| I was stood on the terrace near that corner and there were sparks from the light and the game was held up then called off early because of it.
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| Some people dig up the old "bought the ground for a quid" tale, the £1 was the deposit, the club then stumped up a great amount of money shortly after, not too sure it wasn't £265,000.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"I was stood on the terrace near that corner and there were sparks from the light and the game was held up then called off early because of it.'"
So it wasn't due to a "structural" issue as you claimed in your first post then?
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| Just to add to Fully's previous post - we have also paid for all the stadium modifications this season without relying on the good will of certain supporters who do the work for nowt.
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| Quote ="Fully"So it wasn't due to a "structural" issue as you claimed in your first post then?'"
To patronise.....To speak to someone as if they are stupid.
Think you've just proved my point nicely Fully!
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Just to add to Fully's previous post - we have also paid for all the stadium modifications this season without relying on the good will of certain supporters who do the work for nowt.'"
Good for you, and us.
Can't see any issue with that.
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| Quote ="JINJER"I do tend to agree with you but I personally put this down to patronising Cas fans, you're team and fans only two years since we're going through exactly the same as us both on and off the field, yet to here the Cas fans talk they are the perfect rugby club with no problems, we get them on this board holding the flag of peace yet packing a six shooter, that's may take on it for what it's worth not that we don't have our own brand of idiots!A sincere lack of dignity on some Cas fans part.'"
Whilst I can see your point, 12 months ago I have no doubt that some Wakefield fans were lauding about Cas being in the rubbish too. That's what you get with local rivals and it will always become a point scoring exercise.
I don't think any Cas fan will say that everything is perfect or peachy; in fact, we know that Wheldon Road as a ground isn't fabulous and we need a new stadium for many reasons. In terms of team performance, we have exceeded expectations but we're not invincible.
However, mud-slinging and posting mistruths benefits no-one really. Cas have worked tirelessly over the off-season to meet H and S requirements and go that extra mile to make sure everything is up-to-date. They've also cut a lot of contracts and renegotiated things in the business to raise extra cash. We have improved considerably but there are always ways to continue improving.
It's unfortunate that this has hit Wakefield prior to the season but at least - with the help of invaluable volunteer time - they have been able to save a few quid and get ahead of the game for the remaining time you have at Belle Vue.
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| Quote ="JINJER"To patronise.....To speak to someone as if they are stupid.
Think you've just proved my point nicely Fully!'"
That's not patronising. It was just a question; his first comment related to structural issues. After discussing, we've agreed it was a floodlight issue.
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| Right Everyone back to original post.
Just had it confirmed the council bought Belle Vue for £165K
Sold it back to the club for £1 on signing contracts and balance of £250K paid
by club to council on completion of contract.
Council made a profit of £85K
Club got back a smaller ground than they sold along with condemned floodlights
and a large bill for 'works' carried out by council.
Good old WMDC such fine fellows.
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| Quote ="Fully"So it wasn't due to a "structural" issue as you claimed in your first post then?'"
Ha Ha, it was a health and safety issue within Wheldon Rd which is what I said earlier also the floodlights are structural so the answer to your question is yes it was structural.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Right Everyone back to original post.
Just had it confirmed the council bought Belle Vue for £165K
Sold it back to the club for £1 on signing contracts and balance of £250K paid
by club to council on completion of contract.
Council made a profit of £85K
Club got back a smaller ground than they sold along with condemned floodlights
and a large bill for 'works' carried out by council.
Good old WMDC such fine fellows.'"
That'll waz on the fireworks of most of the nut job forum members who love to call us scroungers
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| Quote ="Fully"posting mistruths benefits no-one really. '"
Stop doing it then!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"That'll waz on the fireworks of most of the nut job forum members who love to call us scroungers'"
But they won't let the truth get in the way of a "good story" so they'll still call us scroungers but who cares ?
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"A mutual friend of ours, who knows the full facts, is clear about this. The club bought the ground back from the council for a much larger amount than the council bought it from the club for originally. It is a complete myth that the club were sold the ground back for a minimal amount. The council and therefore Wakefield residents made a profit from the whole deal, and it was a significant profit for the time. It is not clear if it was sold back at the current best market value, given land values did continue to rise, so maybe not and that is maybe where this whole myth came from, but they still paid back much more than they got for it!
He also has told me that the what you and Jack in the Box have posted is correct, not only did they make a profit they also did slap a very large bill into the club after it was bought back for 'works to the ground'.'"
Thanks IA.
Just blows the myth that the Council have been especially good to us.
Made a profit on the deal, condemned our floodlights leaving us with a big bill for replacement floodlights and of course they are being particularly helpful as we speak. I love this Council and they will get my vote on 22nd May.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"In order to avoid upsetting those who must be obeyed I decided to start a thread to answer the question of the wooden stand as I remember it. When we were going through one of our financial problems many years ago the then Labour council in order to keep us going agreed to buy the ground which caused them a great deal of problems with both Castleford and Featherstone.
With regards the wooden stand following the fire at Bradford all grounds were subject to a more rigorous inspection. With regards our stand unfortunately due to its structure and the fact it had a bar underneath and it's own tunnel it was doomed. The ownership of the ground would not have changed this outcome.
To carry on a little further during the blue period in the UK and the abolishing of Metropolitan Council, Wakefield had to dispose of some of its asserts and Belle Vue was one. The Labour controlled council in order to save money sold the ground back to the club for a minimal amount. They were however not daft enough to go with the free market which was all the rage at the time and placed certain conditions that the ground could only be used as a sports facility in order to prevent its sale as building land. This was done to ensure that we always had a ground and could not be thrown out should the ground be subsequently sold to property developers.
What became of the ground ownership after this time is still somewhat shrouded in mystery, so before some of you get on about how badly we are treated by the council just remember if they weren't willing to step in many years ago a lot of you would not have a club to follow or moan about.'"
Don't know what you were trying to prove with this post but it's really backfired on you - little knowledge is a dangerous thing
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| Quote ="vastman"Don't know what you were trying to prove with this post but it's really backfired on you - little knowledge is a dangerous thing
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Mt thoughts too, wolf in sheeps clothing!
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| I like this thread, going to enjoy reading this later, carry on
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| I would say that IA's information is only second hand and mine was based on memory. I believe that without them buying the ground you would not have a ground to repair or a team to support. The demolition of the old stand was as a result of the Bradford fire and it's design. It would not have survived without a great deal of money being spent.
If the ground was sold at a profit back to the club then so be it. I would ask you to just remind me what did Ted mortgage the ground for.
With regards little knowledge being dangerous it hasn't stopped a lot of you posting your coaching expertise over the last few weeks.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I would say that IA's information is only second hand and mine was based on memory. I believe that without them buying the ground you would not have a ground to repair or a team to support. The demolition of the old stand was as a result of the Bradford fire and it's design. It would not have survived without a great deal of money being spent.
If the ground was sold at a profit back to the club then so be it. I would ask you to just remind me what did Ted mortgage the ground for.
With regards little knowledge being dangerous it hasn't stopped a lot of you posting your coaching expertise over the last few weeks.'"
Exposed!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Exposed!'"
It surely can't be, can it?
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I would say that IA's information is only second hand and mine was based on memory. I believe that without them buying the ground =#FF0000you would not have a ground to repair or a team to support. The demolition of the old stand was as a result of the Bradford fire and it's design. It would not have survived without a great deal of money being spent.
If the ground was sold at a profit back to the club then so be it. I would ask you to just remind me what did Ted mortgage the ground for.
With regards little knowledge being dangerous it hasn't stopped a lot of you posting your coaching expertise over the last few weeks.'"
Oh dear, oh deary deary dear!!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Ha Ha, it was a health and safety issue within Wheldon Rd which is what I said earlier also the floodlights are structural so the answer to your question is yes it was structural.'"
This is so last season. Fast forward a bit and realise that its WTW who have the H&S restrictions and not Cas Tigers.
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