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| Quote ="PopTart"Tackling isn't the issue with our best. I'm wondering if we are putting enough people in to the tackle'"
We're not doing it right - simple as.
The new trend (which I don't agree with, but that's irrelevant) is for the first man to go high, and hold up the runner; it's vital that he makes good contact, and sticks. The second man halts forward progress by going low and securing the legs and when the third man joins, they wrestle the tackled player onto his back, with his head facing his own sticks. They then peel off one by one on the call of move, with the bloke at the top of the heap coming off first. That creates the slowest possible play the ball and allows the defensive line to set. Observe Sean O'Loughlin; up high, head in the face, and his head stays in the face until the other two tacklers have peeled off - it's an effective tackle, and it's horrible for the tackled player to endure, which is part of the point.
Our first contact is often pat-a-cake under 8's stuff and as a result, we're not controlling the collision; so we're allowing an offload or giving away fast play the balls and our defence is in chaos or at worst, we concede a penalty.
In the arms race that is the modern tackle - we're Belgium.
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| Quote ="bren2k"We're not doing it right - simple as.
The new trend (which I don't agree with, but that's irrelevant) is for the first man to go high, and hold up the runner; it's vital that he makes good contact, and sticks. The second man halts forward progress by going low and securing the legs and when the third man joins, they wrestle the tackled player onto his back, with his head facing his own sticks. They then peel off one by one on the call of move, with the bloke at the top of the heap coming off first. That creates the slowest possible play the ball and allows the defensive line to set. Observe Sean O'Loughlin; up high, head in the face, and his head stays in the face until the other two tacklers have peeled off - it's an effective tackle, and it's horrible for the tackled player to endure, which is part of the point.
Our first contact is often pat-a-cake under 8's stuff and as a result, we're not controlling the collision; so we're allowing an offload or giving away fast play the balls and our defence is in chaos or at worst, we concede a penalty.
In the arms race that is the modern tackle - we're Belgium.'"
Very well explained. Even a topical analogy at the end. Top marks.
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| Quote ="bren2k"We're not doing it right - simple as.
The new trend (which I don't agree with, but that's irrelevant) is for the first man to go high, and hold up the runner; it's vital that he makes good contact, and sticks. The second man halts forward progress by going low and securing the legs and when the third man joins, they wrestle the tackled player onto his back, with his head facing his own sticks. They then peel off one by one on the call of move, with the bloke at the top of the heap coming off first. That creates the slowest possible play the ball and allows the defensive line to set. Observe Sean O'Loughlin; up high, head in the face, and his head stays in the face until the other two tacklers have peeled off - it's an effective tackle, and it's horrible for the tackled player to endure, which is part of the point.
Our first contact is often pat-a-cake under 8's stuff and as a result, we're not controlling the collision; so we're allowing an offload or giving away fast play the balls and our defence is in chaos or at worst, we concede a penalty.
In the arms race that is the modern tackle - we're Belgium.'"
That is what we actually did better against Huddersfield tackled better and stopped them offloading as much
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| Quote ="PopTart"I thought Scruton started off ok but has dipped recently. Maybe he is finding the move hard who knows.
But I thought I'd check the stats to see who is doing what.
Top tackler?
Washbrook 292 16th in the league
Kirmond 272
McShane 248
Anderson 230
Smith 217
% success in tackle
Tautai 96% on 185 attempts
Anderson 95% on 243 attempts
Smith 94% on 231 attempts
Washbrook 94% on 312 attempts
Kirmond 92% on 296 attempts
Scruton is on 88%
Top tacklers in the league have % of
Houghton 96% from 456 attempts
Donaldson 94% from 422 attempts
Westerman 92% from 406 attempts
Roby 97% from 383 attempts
Top prop is Chris Hill with 98% from 323 attempts
Amor is 96% on 125 attempts
Tackling isn't the issue with our best. I'm wondering if we are putting enough people in to the tackle'"
Its wide defence fo me. It all goes wrong when it goes to our flanks. Lyne is hopeless in defence. Fox is not a lot better. Mathes is a dodgt full back but Id rather have him back there and Sammut playing7. Its the 3/4 defence that is the issue for me mosy of all
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| This is probs why we appear to not to be fit as the first tackle is to soft so others are having to keep chasing back to make a second attempt and so it goes on and we end up blowing with all the chasing back and more tackles to do.Plus when we then get our hands on the ball we have a lot more work to do to get back in the opposition territory.
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| If it's so debilitating he can't get it under control, then, sadly, maybe a career as a player isn't for him anymore.
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| Quote ="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"If it's so debilitating he can't get it under control, then, sadly, maybe a career as a player isn't for him anymore.'"
I don't think anyone is saying that about either Scruton or Moore.
I don't think we have any medical experts on here that can diagnose over the web so let's leave that one alone.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I don't think anyone is saying that about either Scruton or Moore.
I don't think we have any medical experts on here that can diagnose over the web so let's leave that one alone.'"
I agree with you on that point!
RM looks full of it and I bet he's champing at the bit for the next game - let's hope RA sticks with him.
As for NS, for whatever reason we haven't seen the best of him - perhaps a 'rest' may benefit him, seeing as we have the luxury of other props!
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"I agree with you on that point!
RM looks full of it and I bet he's champing at the bit for the next game - let's hope RA sticks with him.
As for NS, for whatever reason we haven't seen the best of him - perhaps a 'rest' may benefit him, seeing as we have the luxury of other props!'"
The best of Scruton was when he was at Leeds. Maybe he'll never acheive that level again?
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"The best of Scruton was when he was at Leeds. Maybe he'll never acheive that level again?'"
Well I think at least one Bradford fan has posted on here that he has not been his best at Bradford, although I seem to remember he looked ok playing for Bradford against us!
Maybe he's dreaming of a Leeds return, who knows.
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| Belgium, they are good these days, suggest we are more like England all talk no substance.
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"Well I think at least one Bradford fan has posted on here that he has not been his best at Bradford, although I seem to remember he looked ok playing for Bradford against us!
Maybe he's dreaming of a Leeds return, who knows.'"
He won their player of the year last year I think
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| Scruton was immense for us last season.
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| Having diabetes doesn't stop you trying. His performances have been bone idle and lazy. Id give him back to bradford Free some cap space and sign someone that wants to play for us.
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| Thanks Doc.
I think the sudden lean towards Scruton as s scapegoat is getting rediculous.
He isn't at his best but he isn't rubbish.
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| Yes he is…...
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| Quote ="PopTart"Thanks Doc.
I think the sudden lean towards Scruton as s scapegoat is getting rediculous.
He isn't at his best but he isn't rubbish.'"
You should know by now that we have an herd of scapegoats for some on here. It's strange how they can metamorphosize from player to scapegoat and back on a game by game basis but some have now lost that ability to ever lose the tag regardless of what they do. I think without a herd many on here would have little to contribute so even if we play well some must always be created.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Thanks Doc.
I think the sudden lean towards Scruton as s scapegoat is getting rediculous.
He isn't at his best but he isn't rubbish.'"
Not been happy with what i've seen from Scruton but i'll give him chance to prove me wrong, if he's had a bit of a blip and has suffered though illness he'll hopefully bounce back.
If not he gets the scapegoat tag for me
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| Scruton has been disappointing so far but he may work better with an aggressive prop with him to get him going.
Anderson is a good straight up and down prop but neither him or Scruton have that bit of an edge to their play.
When Tautai is fit, pair him with one and have the other with Moore.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"You should know by now that we have an herd of scapegoats for some on here. It's strange how they can metamorphosize from player to scapegoat and back on a game by game basis but some have now lost that ability to ever lose the tag regardless of what they do. I think without a herd many on here would have little to contribute so even if we play well some must always be created.'"
Just out of interest what is your opinion of his recent (non)performances?
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| Quote ="PopTart"Thanks Doc.
I think the sudden lean towards Scruton as s scapegoat is getting rediculous.
He isn't at his best but he isn't rubbish.'"
Bradford talisman don't dictate and be clever to me love.Go to the games! Sick of people like you that turn up every so often. He's been half hearted and lazy.
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| Can't tackle a 13stone full bk on the run. Look at Moore that's effort!
Oh wait you don't go . YAWN
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| I have seen worse performances far too many times over the years. Wakefield have always been consistent at being inconsistent it goes with the territory. We have made quite a few changes and it takes time for these to fully understand what it is to play for Wakefield. They have nowhere to hide because we do not have the quality of players to be able to make things happen unless they do it as a team.
We now have two weeks off which should give the coaching team time to work and get them performing as a team. I think some are just using the current situation to push forward their own prejudices against certain members of the playing staff and coach. If we see no improvement then I guess his time will be limited.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I have seen worse performances far too many times over the years. Wakefield have always been consistent at being inconsistent it goes with the territory. We have made quite a few changes and it takes time for these to fully understand what it is to play for Wakefield. They have nowhere to hide because we do not have the quality of players to be able to make things happen unless they do it as a team.
We now have two weeks off which should give the coaching team time to work and get them performing as a team. I think some are just using the current situation to push forward their own prejudices against certain members of the playing staff and coach. If we see no improvement then I guess his time will be limited.'"
You haven't answered my specific question though?
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"You haven't answered my specific question though?'" think he has, the way I read it he expects the next game to be playing as a team after a good nice rest
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