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| It's never easy to juggle developing youngster with winning games. I'd personally have given more opportunities to our young lads although with the added pressure of P & R back on the cards it's now even harder to give them experience.
Although, I do believe if a player is in form, or a team for that matter then why change anything unless it'll make a marketd difference? I feel sorry for some of the young lads as there are games where they've played brilliantly only to be left out of the squad/team for the next fixture for an established player who is either playing out of position or isn't any better.
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"Been in club 1873 since the start but i have just cancelled the direct debit. This thread has made it clear to me now, whats the point?'"
The point is to get players better than Wildie in the future.
You really need to think about a user name change.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"The point is to get players better than Wildie in the future.
You really need to think about a user name change.'"
Fine by me. Mods please advise how.
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| I wouldn't be surprised if Agar did drop Wildie for the Aussie lad and I would be cheesed off if I was Wildie, after showing loyalty to a club and coach that have rarely given him a long run and chance in the first team.
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| Personally I dont think Wildie has what it takes.
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| Being Jordans dad,I have to say,I agree whole heartedly that survival this year is paramount and the strongest team should be picked every game.If you get to ask Jordan the same question I know for a fact he will say the same.he's had a sniff at Super League and obviously wants more,but I know and Jordan knows his time will come so whatever team RA picks has got the full support of the Crowther household.
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"Insightful as ever.
Sorry but thats my opinion on the subject. If i ever see our own given an even chance then i'll consider joining back up. But whilst we drop a player like Wildie (and yes he is fit btw) who has done a good job in the last two games to pick an aussie out of position (with just 4 first grade games experience 2 years ago) then i'll say again, whats the point? It will keep happening thanks to the backwards thinking of getting shut of licensing. A policy our own club voted for. May as well spend the brass on beer on the ground and help pay for the next loan player. Yes i'm pretty pished off about it.'"
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but, opting in and out of the scheme based on the weekends team selection is just plain daft.
Regarding the 1873 scheme, the people who don't commit to this are the same people who complain that we aren't producing enough decent juniors.
FWIW, I think Wilde should be in this week, so that we can spell McShane but the key for all of us this season is SL survival.
Nothing else matters.
Finally, I think that you need to cut the club some slack. 4 1/2 months ago we were on the brink of Admin. and now, thanks to MC & Co, we have a competitive squad and a decent chance of playing SL rugby next season
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| Is the first post OT or just all the ones that followed???
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| Wakey team for me should be...
Mathers
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Tautai
Subs. Smith, Raleigh, Ryan and Siejka (gamble for first game against arguably best team in Super League.... Wildie would have been safer option IMHO).
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| You r wasting your time khlav, wakey till I die and willzay folk on here would follow the pied piper they don't give a damn as long as there a issues second rate or not .yea inside man do you think wildie as had affair chance to prove himself like walshaw, like cowling 10 mins here and there against to opposition. Right kinley you say siejka maybe showing enough in training fair enough let's see, eh on the youth development I'm going tomorrow ain't seen owt yet accept possibly the winger johonstone who could hold a candle to the team we let go a few seasons ago , I said all last season that the u 16s who we were told were gonna be the saviors of the club hadn't played any one of note, how have they done this season, I'll give my opinion after saints tomorrow and I'll eat humble pie if I'm wrong. Right Mr Harrison we've had the players but its been too much like hard work to develop them , we won the u18s academy title what more do you want, easy enough to say kear didn't do owt with em but there were plenty of em playing with our u20s during agars reign , you've only to look at the form shown by Frankie Mariano to show how flawed agars judgement is. I've seen Ryan and he ain't as good as walshaw, haven't seen harry yet but he's an Aussie must be good eh dreadnought. Has for vast man I dismiss owt you say , you try to be an intellect but your comments show me you very little about the game although you try your best to make folk think you do
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| Quote ="Adam_Harrison9"To me, questions need to be asked as to why we aren't producing players capable of making the step up. They should be developing a lot better during their younger years in the academy, instead of us throwing them into the Super League in the hope that they improve drastically with super league experience. A lot of youngsters that go onto be good Super League players it's already obvious they have the talent at the ages 21-22 and then it's all about breaking them in slowly. Obviously there are exceptions.'"
go and watch the U16s tomorrow Vs St Helens, Win, Lose or Draw they'll show you that some of our youngsters have real quality and some of those on show tomorrow will be U15s.
Think about Max Jowitt, Jordy Crowther, Harry Swann and a few others from the U19s but are actually U17s and you'll see that there is some quality coming through
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| How much game time has Wildie had? I have never seen anything from him that makes me think I would be gutted if he left.
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| I'll be there and I guarantee there be plenty of 17yrolds in tha saints team
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| Quote ="The Clan"go and watch the U16s tomorrow Vs St Helens, Win, Lose or Draw they'll show you that some of our youngsters have real quality and some of those on show tomorrow will be U15s.
Think about Max Jowitt, Jordy Crowther, Harry Swann and a few others from the U19s but are actually U17s and you'll see that there is some quality coming through'"
Exactly but because they wont play every round people wont be happy. Some young ones will be played. I called him pathetic because homegrown players arent being played now Willzay we arent all doom and gloom and were also not SL coaches so lets leave it to the pros...
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| Just a point, my expertise was at a time when age groups had two years between when I coached u 17s the next age down was15 and when I coached u19s the age down was 17 when I was 16 I wasn't frightened of owt and Im sure these lads feel the same so don't throw the age age thing at me16 to 19 still lads
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| Quote ="try scorer"Just a point, my expertise was at a time when age groups had two years between when I coached u 17s the next age down was15 and when I coached u19s the age down was 17 when I was 16 I wasn't frightened of owt and Im sure these lads feel the same so don't throw the age age thing at me16 to 19 still lads'"
Fair enough but the physical aspects have changed and you know they have.
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| Quote ="try scorer"I'll be there and I guarantee there be plenty of 17yrolds in tha saints team'"
I'm sure there will be but I'm more concerned with our lads.
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| Can people stop quoting Try Scorer as I have him on ignore and I'm still finding myself reading his inane and repetitive drivel when he's being quoted
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| Quote ="financialtimes"Can people stop quoting Try Scorer as I have him on ignore and I'm still finding myself reading his inane and repetitive drivel when he's being quoted
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Try scorer is a Normy legend
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| Quote ="bazzo44"Try scorer is a Normy legent'"
Did he teach you all how to spell?
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| With all due respect to the people moaning about Wildie missing out this week, could you name me a list of Super League clubs he would get regular games for?
At this stage, he's still an OK squad player....not ripping up any trees but doing ok when he gets a call....it's a long hard season and he will be involved again......he's played the last 2..this is a different game....we're playing the league leaders....the team who have looked best so far.....he didn't make the final 17.....the coach fancied another ahead of him.....it happens in sport.....as I said his time will come again.....if the lad has anything about him, he will just knuckle down, get on with it....realise he's part of the SQUAD and give his all when he's called on again....
It's like all these so called star youngsters that we have let go......could someone compile me a list of those that have gone from us and then come back and played at a better club than ours? No, thought not.....if they were good enough players they would have become established Super League players with us, and then moved onto better things with bigger clubs.....like the likes of Ellis, Westwood, etc.....the clue here is, that there isn't any of them that have.....not that I can think of anyway.....some just don't develop into top first grade players....
This season is purely about avoiding finishing bottom 2.....if that means playing a player like Ryan over Walshaw.....and Sjeka over Wildie, then that's fine with me......I think both those examples will prove over the course of the season that the overseas player is better than the homegrown....
The time when we will be able to start seeing big numbers of homegrown players all coming through and playing first team together is when people start backing the club on the terraces.....it's a simple equation that many fail to grasp.....if you are a bottom 3 or 4 side every season you will struggle to produce and bring through as many quality homegrown players as teams in the top 3 or 4....
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| Quote ="upthecats"With all due respect to the people moaning about Wildie missing out this week, could you name me a list of Super League clubs he would get regular games for?
At this stage, he's still an OK squad player....not ripping up any trees but doing ok when he gets a call....it's a long hard season and he will be involved again......he's played the last 2..this is a different game....we're playing the league leaders....the team who have looked best so far.....he didn't make the final 17.....the coach fancied another ahead of him.....it happens in sport.....as I said his time will come again.....if the lad has anything about him, he will just knuckle down, get on with it....realise he's part of the SQUAD and give his all when he's called on again....
It's like all these so called star youngsters that we have let go......could someone compile me a list of those that have gone from us and then come back and played at a better club than ours? No, thought not.....if they were good enough players they would have become established Super League players with us, and then moved onto better things with bigger clubs.....like the likes of Ellis, Westwood, etc.....the clue here is, that there isn't any of them that have.....not that I can think of anyway.....some just don't develop into top first grade players....
This season is purely about avoiding finishing bottom 2.....if that means playing a player like Ryan over Walshaw.....and Sjeka over Wildie, then that's fine with me......I think both those examples will prove over the course of the season that the overseas player is better than the homegrown....
The time when we will be able to start seeing big numbers of homegrown players all coming through and playing first team together is when people start backing the club on the terraces.....it's a simple equation that many fail to grasp.....if you are a bottom 3 or 4 side every season you will struggle to produce and bring through as many quality homegrown players as teams in the top 3 or 4....'"
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| Quote ="upthecats"With all due respect to the people moaning about Wildie missing out this week, could you name me a list of Super League clubs he would get regular games for?
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| I know people are doubting the u16s but as one of the scouts who helped get them to trinity I am confident these lads have got a lot of talent.it might not show up as much this season ,but it will in the near future.these lads chose to come to trinity above other so called big teams due to the hard work put in by ryan Hudson and his team.i also agree its about time we looked after our young lads and blooded them better and gave them more opportunity to show what they can do but our track record on this has not been good for a long time,i remember the colts team that won 3 out of 4 trophies on offer with only a couple of the team getting 1st team chances,and I know raz wants to see more homegrown talent coming through.
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